A lot of you are going to laugh, and that's ok with me My new Tipton gun vice (the lower end model, not the "tipton best" but just the "tipton") got here today and WOW I could not be happier. For $45 it was a STEAL. I took apart all my guns and cleaned them. Tonight I got home from work and plopped the 10/22 on there. I said "to hell with it" and removed every pin from the trigger group, ALL of them. Pieces were flying everywhere and I was having a good time! I took all the mechanisms out and everything. Within 30 minutes and a youtube video later, I *mastered* the 10/22 trigger group. I now know how everything works and what pieces compliment another. I am so thrilled and it was fun. So I just kept taking pieces apart and messing with them. This is why I am training for gun smithing. Guns are pretty much on my mind all the time (in a healthy way ) I really don't see any other option but keep on learning and going to a school and eventually set up shop as a full timer. I had so much fun with that trigger group. I know a lot about guns, mostly how they work and a lot. But of course I don;t know everything. Hell, I didn't even know how to take the trigger group apart. Bear with me, I am sure 70% of you can take a 10/22 trigger group apart but darn was I happy when I could do it. But more, I studied the parts and played with them. Anyway I had a blast and am running out of guns to take apart. Next trigger group will be my 870, although that is more complicated just by the looks. I guess I am getting a good start because I play with the Mosin, 870, AR, and 10/22 a lot. And in gun smithing schools, you get qualified for POPULAR guns (everyone owns a 10/22, a mossy or 870, and of course a mosin and ar. Start with the common guns and get armorer certified. Say my dreams of becoming a gunsmith are overrated, we'll see in time but for now that is where I'm aiming, literally.