A question f/t Marines

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by Vincine, Dec 4, 2011.

  1. Vincine

    Vincine New Member

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    Hi Guys,

    I have a friend who’s a Marine. She was a Hornet mechanic a long time ago. She told me once the Marines are called ‘The President’s Own’ because the president can send them anywhere without checking with congress first, or something. I’m trying to substantiate that.

    Never mind for the moment that presidents have been sending all our service members all over the damm place without receiving congressional approval first for some time; Can anyone here tell me if this is true? Is there some document or statute somewhere that states the USMC is exempt having congressional approval before the president sends them into some conflict somewhere? Can someone cite it and/or send me a link to it?

    I’ve tried searching ‘The President’s Own’ but the only results I get are about the USMC Band. 'USMC' doesn't lead me to anything substantiating it either.

    I’d close with ‘Semper fi’, but I’m not a Marine so I’ll just say;

    Thanks,
    Vini
     
  2. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    as current misinterpretations of the constitution have been declared by the us congress and supreme court the president can send any of the airforce marines army navy anywhere to do anything for a short deployment. there is nothing in the constitution that allows the president to do this however.
     

  3. trip286

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    He he he, yes the presidents own is the Marine Corps band.

    There is some kind if a stipulation somewhere (supposedly) that the president can "send in the Marines" without a formal declaration and without the approval of congress. For something like 2 months I think.

    Again, I say "supposedly"
     
  4. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    You are speaking of the War Powers Act. Congress passed this over Nixon's veto. Copy & Paste-

    The War Powers Resolution requires the president to provide written notification to Congress of the introduction of U.S. armed forces into hostilities within forty-eight hours of such action. The president must explain the reasons forces were inserted in a hostile situation, the executive's authority for doing so, and the scope and duration of the military action. In addition, the president is required to terminate the use of military forces after sixty days unless Congress has declared war, extended the period by law, or cannot meet the sixty-day deadline as a result of an armed attack on the United States. The sixty days can be extended for thirty days by the president if the safety of armed forces would be jeopardized by immediate removal. The president is also required to remove forces at any time if Congress so demands by concurrent resolutions (known as a legislative veto). The president, as commander in chief, is empowered by the Constitution to lead U.S. forces once the decision to wage war is made or an attack on the United States has commenced. What Congress sought with the War Powers Resolution was participation in the decision to commit armed forces at the beginning of hostilities.

    But no, it is not just "send in the Marines". It is any of us that have taken the Queen's shilling. And the President's Own is the band.
     
  5. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    And that's why I said supposedly, it was what I had heard while in the service while not doing the research myself. :)
     
  6. As trip286 said, "The President's Own" band is operated by the Marine Corps. That is where the expression derives.

    Other than that, the War Powers Act is the law of the land.
     
  7. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    While the topic is interesting, I have to say: If you get time with a Marine, buy them a drink and just listen.

    The Marines, to the last of my knowledge, are the ONLY force that has ever guarded foreign embassy locations and the dignitaries that stayed there during their detail.

    Yeah. There have been SeALs and DELTA and other folks attached to a HOT ZONE, but the Marines have been everywhere else. And under certain administrations they have done so WITHOUT loaded weapons.

    SO, when a Marine tells you that they have "been there, done that" you should probably pay them just a WEE bit of attention. :cool:

    JD
     
  8. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    Yes, buy drinks for Marines. As often and as many as you can.
     
  9. Vincine

    Vincine New Member

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    Yeah. See, I was surprised that they’d be allowances for the use of USMC that the other services wouldn’t have visa vie Congress. Thanks.
     
  10. Jpyle

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    Many would argue that the War Powers Acts is an unconstitutional overreach of Congressional power. Constitutionally, the President is the Commander in Chief of all armed forces and he alone is vested in the authority to commit troops. Congress' role, per the Constitution, is limited to formal declarations of war and the appropriation of the funds necessary. The grey area arises when the President commits troops absent a formal declaration by Congress, e.g. Viet Nam, Korea, Gulf I, Bosnia, Grenada, Libya, Somalia, etc. The War Powers Act was an attempt to resolve the grey but even so it remains to be seen whether Congress could actually force the troops home by any means other than defunding.
     
  11. Marlinman

    Marlinman New Member

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    Me and trip will take every beer you will buy us. I know a few more that will take them also. EVERYONE of them has been in the Sh&t for this country and bled. Myself included even though mine was a few grazes and caused by a stupid a$$ REMF Captain
     
  12. Jpyle

    Jpyle New Member

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    If I am ever in your neck of the woods the beers are on me...thanks for your service.
     
  13. Marlinman

    Marlinman New Member

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    Your welcome. If i remember correctly from the service thread you served also so thank you to you for your service also.
     
  14. ANGRYcanary

    ANGRYcanary New Member

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    1,2,3,4, I LOVE The Marine Corps..!!! To all marines, and ESPECIALLY those who served as escorts to me in my time of service, on foreign soil, for covering my *$$, and pulling me out of that twisted,destroyed, Humvee. I salute you all and with tear filled eyes remember that fateful day EACH AND EVERY time I see my daughter salute the Flag of THE United States of America. I owe you more than a beer.
     
  15. Jpyle

    Jpyle New Member

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    Nope, never served. I am a very REMF...:p
     
  16. Marlinman

    Marlinman New Member

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    If you havent served then how do you know what a REMF is?
     
  17. jordan89

    jordan89 New Member

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    Ok now im curious. What is a REMF?
     
  18. Jpyle

    Jpyle New Member

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    Don't really know, must have heard it somewhere. I do have a lot of friends and family that have served.
     
  19. Jpyle

    Jpyle New Member

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    Rear Echelon Mother F'r...a term of endearment used to describe a walking clusterf*** whose lack of any real battle experience causes unnecessary casualties.
     
    Last edited: Dec 5, 2011
  20. jordan89

    jordan89 New Member

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    I learn something new on this forum everyday.