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I will make an exception to linking netiquette and I sincerely hope the Mods will forgive me.

I think this article on room clearing is brilliant (I know the cynics will say bla bla, I am too cool for school and know all this from back in the day, but I really dont hope so)

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As a hobby farmer and mole hunter, I have little knowledge of such stuff. . .
But ... .. Is this so new. .. I think the general concept of peeking has been around for a long time. Certainly the moves are distinct for the four.

I wonder if this method instills a undeserved reliance of the door's surrounding structure as cover, and with four folks framing the opening, it doesn't really serve for concealment.

But if this is your job and you have to do it, I suppose it adds another tool to the tool box.

I'm glad my moles don't shoot back.
 

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I'm all for the military using the following methods for room clearing.

Method A (for those times when you don't care about the room or anything in it):

1 lb charge of C4 - AKA "A pound of cure is better than a pound of lead"

For bigger rooms, use more "cure".

Method B (for those times when you want to use the room):

3 M67's - AKA "Tres Fragitos"

Much like Method A, the more the merrier.

Method C (for those times when you want to eliminate all evidence of the room ever having been there):

2000 lb JDAM - AKA "F U, people that look like you, your mother, and your damn dog"

Might want to hang back a ways. Sometimes precision weapons aren't.

That said, if you're not sure of what the answer is, you might want to "C" your way out.

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yes those are all tradtional military ways of room clearing. Which is simply blowing up a building.

But the point of that article is that you and I dont have a JDAM lying around or frag grandes...
So if you and I clear room it must be one differently.

I know its a long article even so I will print it out and read it about 5 times to full absorb it.
 

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CardiacColt's room clearing method:

Step 1. Look around

Step 2. Panic

Step 3. Find cover and concealment

Step 4. Call 911

Step 5. Let the professionals take over

Alternate method:

Step 1. Run like hell

Step 2. Find cover

Step 3. Call 911


But I am glad there are people trained in such things. I am just in the wrong place if it is me.


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For a civilian to try and clear a house is a bad idea. If possible get out and stay out ring the police. If you cain't get out barricade yourself in best you can ring the police. There are few circumstances that I can think of that someone would want to be clearing a house.
 

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For a civilian to try and clear a house is a bad idea. If possible get out and stay out ring the police. If you cain't get out barricade yourself in best you can ring the police. There are few circumstances that I can think of that someone would want to be clearing a house.
Why own a firearm , I'll just call the police? :D

Similar arguement. ;)

The trained in helplessness of the avg citizen is what we must overcome and aquiring solid skill sets in putting our firearms to the use they are intended.

I view the training progressions like this:

- Buy a gun, learn how to load it, how to align the sights, and how to pull the trigger trigger.. fundamentals...
- Learn different firing positions, fast firing, wearing your rig, changing mags quickly etc.
- Employ the rifle in an effective manner as part of a trained team in defense of life + liberty.

The linked article (which I frankly think is brilliant and after 20+ years in the Army I know I am not "too cool for school") helps with that.

I printed it out , will study it closely and hopefully next year be able to practice those techniques in a shoothouse.

The idea is to get away from the mainstream CQB training which is very often misdirected at the armed civilian.

The author clearly designed them to be simple and accessible equipment and skillwise to (competent) armed civilians and thats a good thing. :D
 

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I had to clear my daughters house once. Police? They showed up 45 minutes after I left and the "professional" just walked up to the front door and rang the bell. This is after 2 women called in a prowler. They did not keep her on the phone so she called me. I was there in 5 minutes. My daughter and I had a code system. When I entered I called out to let her know it was me and to find out if she is safe. She answered with the boys names. Wrong answer means she is in trouble. She was holed up with the kids in the bedroom behind cover with a 9mm. She was able to cover the door and the window. She is a very good shot. Sometimes circumstances require you to take action whether you want to or not.
 
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Why own a firearm , I'll just call the police?
If you could get out of the house, why would you risk your life going back in to clear it. If it has to be cleared the police are trained and have the expertise to clear a house. And specialist units if required SWAT. Would it be sensible to go back into a house on fire that you had just escaped from, or ring the fire brigade.
 

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Doing the "wrong/illogical" deed is where hero's come from. There are times where we as citizens must step up and do the illogical such as going in to a burning house to rescue someone. Or clear a house on our own to get a loved one safe from danger.

Doing the illogical when a life is on the line is not for everyone. If you are not up to it wait for those that are trained.
 

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There are times where we as citizens must step up and do the illogical such as going in to a burning house to rescue someone. Or clear a house on our own to get a loved one safe from danger.
As said earlier clearing a house if (not needed). Going back in after a loved one is a different matter. Do you think someone should go back into a house with a fire or intrude if they don't need to or ring for help. ?
 

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As a hobby farmer and mole hunter, I have little knowledge of such stuff. . .

I'm glad my moles don't shoot back.
Seriously, a bit off topic but how do you get rid of the moles ?

Got a back and side yards that have more tunnels than the VC had in Cu Chi.
 

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The original link is deleted by policy but a google search will still find the article.

Also, for those who say this line of CQB is not applicable to civilians, let me ask you why you are so sure? There are an awful lot of tacticoolaid schools teaching dynamic entry, and I agree that much of that is for the fun factor, ... But if you are going to do CQB, do it right.
For those ‘dissing’ the TEOTWAWKI crowd – are you so sure the grid is invulnerable to a cyber attack, and we may not be facing massive civil unrest in the near future? Come on guys this is still America.
We are all part of the unorganized militia and have a responsibility too know how to conduct business.
No one is coming to do it for you!
 

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There are a couple internet articles on this. I found them to be an interesting read. This topic reminds me of a local event that happened a few months ago that was a poster child for this scenario. Police were doing a raid on a suspected criminal's house. They rushed the front door. The alleged perp then pulled a handgun off a nearby nightstand, shot the first officer/SWAT member in the face (killing him), then shot and critically wounded the next two in line, then the fourth officer in line was able to wound the alleged perp. I did not hear whether or not this was an announced entry operation.
 

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Red beans seasoned with bacon, rice and cornbread washed down with cold milk will clear any room. If they can stand the stench the threat of striking a bic lighter will make the rest leave.
 

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While the red beans n bacon sounds good, can someone PM me the link to the room clearing article. Clearing a room - for one person, it is not an easy task even when we'll armed. You can slice the pie all you want but you need a partner to help, no one can cover 360.

Even if you have a plan, drill etc, you must practice clearing to be proficient.
 
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