A couple questions about building your own AR-15 (caution: i'm clueless)

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by Corey, Jul 20, 2011.

  1. Corey

    Corey New Member

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  2. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Active Member

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    We love to help build SUR's.

    Both of the links refer to fully assembled lower & upper.

    A lot of us start with a stripped lower, buy a lower parts kit and a stock assembly. Then purchase a fully assembled upper to mount on the lower.

    The stripped lower has the serial number and the purchaser must take possession of the lower from someone with a Federal Firearms License, generally a local gun shop. Some gun shops stock lowers to sell, most will perform the transfer for a fee. I have seen the fee range from $10 to $50.

    Once you have an assembled lower, there are many options available in calibers from 22LR to 458 SoCom.

    A great place to start is reading the stickied threads at the top of the AR discussion section.

    http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f20/how-build-ar-lower-receiver-4987/

    We look forward to assisting you with your Sport Utility Rifle build.

    Also, stop by the introduction section and tell us a little about yourself.
     
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  3. Yunus

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    Well you found the right place for any AR questions you may have. There are some incredibly knowledgeable people on this board that can answer any question you may have.

    Those 2 links you show will work just fine together and create a completed gun although you will still need a scope or rear sight. However I think you could find a better price than the links especially if your willing to change your brand. The S&W would make a great AR-15 though no doubt about it.

    I'm in the process of building my first AR-15. I'm doing exactly what Gatoragn said, building the lower and buying the upper. I'm looking at a total cost of under $1000 all said and done and that includes an upgraded trigger. You can save a bit by building your own lower and you learn a lot about your gun in the process. Also building the lower has not proven difficult, especially using that link in Gatoragn's post which shows step by step with pictures what you need to do.
     
  4. Quentin

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    Interesting that you can buy all the parts to build an AR from Amazon.com (and their partners). Didn't know that. But I agree with Gatoragn and Yunus that you can do much better and at a lower price. That S&W would be an ok AR but once you add iron sights you'd easily be at $1200 and for that you can get something special.

    So start reading the AR threads and start defining exactly what you want your rifle to do. Then you can make better decisions and save money.
     
  5. mjkeat

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    Those uppers were way over priced.
     
  6. Snakedriver

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    I've been doing the reseach on complete uppers for my first AR build too and I can say that $500 will get you a good upper that'll be all you want it to be. Combine that with a complete lower at around $300 and you're good to go. That's using iron sights, no optics involved. Those prices also don't include any magazines or ammo either.

    Stag, Rock River, Del-ton, Armalite and Spikes Tactical are some of the brands I'm looking at.
     
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  7. Jpyle

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    Corey:

    Nothing wrong with being clueless at the beginning of a new adventure. You have taken the right first steps in seeking the advice of others who have experienced the pitfalls and have the knowledge to share, not mere opinion but facts gleened from actually building an AR not simply parroting what they have read.

    If you haven't done so I suggest reading through the posts and stickies in the AR forum. Lots of info there that will assist you with the build vs buy decision. As has been posted before building your own gives you firsthand knowledge of how the AR works and helps keep the total cost down since you build what you want, not upgrade what someone wants to sell you. Several of the real pros have already replied so I'll leave you in their capable hands and wish you good luck.

    Just remember to document your progress and post up those pics and a range report.
     
  8. Corey

    Corey New Member

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    Thanks for the reponses i'm glad i found the right place. I'm probably just going to order that complete upper and complete lower because i have an amazon gift certificate which i'd much rather use than my own money. I found the bottom for $333 on amazon, complete with trigger and stock.

    So, $333 for complete lower M&P 15, and for the complete M&P 15 upper, it's $730. Amazon.com: Smith & Wesson M&P-15 M4 Flat Top Upper 16": Sports & Outdoors . Should i go for it? Then just put it together when it comes, which it says complete so i probably just have to assemble the pieces together with a few pins.

    I mean, i'm pretty set on not building my own just at the moment my life is very busy and complete parts on amazon is very convenient at the moment especially since i have a gift certificate to the website.

    Also, i live in PA, we do not require registration of rifles, what do you think the amazon seller is going to do? I've actually already contacted him about is an FFL required or registration because it's optional about 16 hours ago and he's yet to reply. Magazines are on there for $20, there's also lots of sights and other accessories.

    Thanks for your time guys.
     
  9. m72law

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    if ya want to go the cheapest way in building a plain jane ar-15 look at RGUNS.com website...they have complete uppers w/bolt 400.00 & 65.00 lowers,70.00 complete lower parts & then what ever fixed or collapsible stock's for around 40bucks...so @ less than 600bucks you can have a good shooting AR...;) the cash saved could be used to purchase ammo & godallmighty .223's are way over priced now!

    sarcoinc.com has some pretty good deals on ar-15/m-16 parts kits for 399.00
    ! so if going this route w/65.00 lower from rguns. the sarcoinc.com parts kits got everything else to make your ar-15 complete for less than 500.00bucks :)
     
  10. Corey

    Corey New Member

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    Now my main concern is how this amazon seller would sell both of those, if it'd have to be FFL or not, i'm in PA, if anybody has an amazon account and could send the person a message and get a reply, i think he's ignoring me because my account name is "barrack obama" (16 years old don't ask) and i'm asking about how he's shipping it. If someone could message both company on my links and see what is required for them to ship to PA as far as FFL, registration, signature delivery, etc, i'd gladly buy you something small off amazon like a few speedloaders. Let me know.
     
  11. canebrake

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    The upper can and will be shipped to your home address BUT......the lower MUST be shipped to a FFL Federal Firearms Licensed dealer of your choice.

    This is not a state thing, it's federal law. The lower must be transferred to the new owner via federal paperwork. It would be different if you were buying face to face in PA or from a gun shop.

    You need to find a FFL in your area to do the transfer.
     
  12. jjfuller1

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    as i have recently learned from exprience. the only part that needs to be shipped via ffl is the lower. as that has the serial numbers. all other parts should be mail able
     
  13. Gatoragn

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    There is a difference between a Federal background check and registering a firearm. The Feds require a background check before you take possession of the firearm to verify you are eligible to complete the purchase legally. The dealer is responsible for keeping records of whom they sell to and accurately track the inventory of the guns they stock/sell. The state you reside may have additional requirements concerning certain firearms, e.g. handgun registration.

    Find a local gun shop and ask them how interstate transfer of firearms works in PA. I believe (don't know for sure) that it is the interstate part that kicks in the Federal rules requiring the FFL to be a part of the transaction in your state. I doubt there are any exceptions to this rule.
     
  14. mjkeat

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    Look into BCM. For just over $500 you can have one of the best uppers in the biz. Then pirchase one of their blem lowers for undee $300. It cant be beat, price or quality.
     
  15. Jpyle

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    Instate or interstate doesn't matter. Every purchase from a FFL needs a NICS, there are no loopholes or exceptions despite what is in the papers. Only time no NICS is required is in a face-to-face transaction between residents of the same state within that state, subject of course to local requirements.
     
  16. Fabius

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    The pictures look like an M&P15A upper and a standard lower. You can buy the complete rifle, with removable flip up rear sight, online for under $1,000. Bud's has it for $994.
     
  17. Yunus

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    Where abouts in PA?
     
  18. JonM

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    true and any wise face to face seller would still make the buyer go through a ffl transfer, but thats on the seller
     
  19. luan87us

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    You need an FFL to transfer the lower only. Now I would suggest you build your own lower receiver that will save you a tons and you'll actually get much better customization out of it. It isn't hard at all. All you need is a pair of plier and some reading/follow instruction skill. I saved about $150 from building my own lower receiver. And mine has MOE furniture.

    For upper that one is Very overpriced like everyone else said. You can get a NICE BCM upper receiver for that price. Not saying S&W is bad but that upper receiver doesn't worth over $700.
     
  20. Corey

    Corey New Member

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    I agree about the price, like i said it was only because i have amazon certificate i want to spend, but i shouldn't act like the amazon $ isn't equivalent to regular cash. So i'm going to research building my own lower receiver, would anything be FFL required?


    Northwest, an hour from Ohio and NY borders.

    I see now, the amazon seller just made it seem very possible, i guess they'd process the order then now ship it and take my money for a while.