9mm vs 40s&w vs 45acp is silly

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by Nathantc, Apr 21, 2013.

  1. Nathantc

    Nathantc New Member

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    power structure brand for brand (blazer brass el cheapo)

    .40s&w 155jhp 475ft/lbs at 1175tf/sec

    45acp 230jhp 365ft/lbs at 845ft/sec

    9mm 124jhp 351ft/lbs at 1126ft/sec

    this was all Blazer brass ammo all fmj all cheap crap so yeah cost for cost the .40 rains supreme and is just a hair under the

    .357mag 158g 494ft/lbs at 1150ft/sec

    the numbers dont lie so any thing else is just a matter of preference
     
  2. SRK97

    SRK97 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    What are the barrel lengths of all four guns?
     

  3. Nathantc

    Nathantc New Member

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    "assuming" that blazer used the standard 5" test barrel for 9, 40, 45 and the standard 6" for the .357mag

    then i guess that would be it being as that info was not stated,,

    i came upon this when a friend and i were arguing that the .40 vs .45 thing,, i told him that my .40 shoots flatter and hits harder out to 30 yards (i was correct) but he wouldnt hear it

    so i looked here
    http://www.ballistics101.com/
     
  4. BeyondTheBox

    BeyondTheBox New Member

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    Ammo matters. I would never use Blazer brass to judge anything. The only ammo I refuse to use in any gun!

    Hornady critical defense...

    9mm 115gr 1140/332 4" barrel
    40sw 165gr 1175/506 4" barrel
    45acp 185gr 1000/411 5" barrel

    The fact is you can't compare a caliber based on the same ammo, you have to base off of the best ammo available. For example, the federal 357 mag is unbeatable by any factory round for any caliber.

    Then there's those wonder rounds like halo points and safety slugs. There's simply too many variables to play the ballistics game.

    Put your bullet where you can and choose the gun you're best at achieving aim with.
     
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  5. BeyondTheBox

    BeyondTheBox New Member

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    I think you're missing a key factor here... velocity and energy are not the only points of comparison. Notice how there's over 100gr difference between the 9mm and 45? That 100gr at 1000fps is nothing to dismiss, which equates to more than just energy at impact. Hole diameter, aim forgiveness, etc, etc, etc.
     
  6. Nathantc

    Nathantc New Member

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    i understand all that but what i was originally arguing with my friend was that the .40 brand for brand type for type hits harder and has a flatter trajectory then the .45
     
  7. JimRau

    JimRau Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The numbers by themselves are totally useless!:( To many people who are not well informed or educated in terminal ballistics get all hung up in the 'numbers'. The ONLY thing that 'stops the fight', short of a central nervous system hit, is oxygen deprivation to the brain! This is caused by blood lose from a large permanent wound cavity (long and wide the shape of a foot ball).;)
    If you use the 'best' defense ammo available today for the a fore mentioned calibers there is less than 5% diffidence in this wound cavity, so for all intentness and purposes they are all equal. But as ask above, 'what is the barrel length?' The 45 acp loses it's MV VERY fast when you shorten the bbl length and it is a 'slow' round to start with so if you go below the 4.5 inch bbl in the 45 you will be VERY disappointed in it's performance as a self defense weapon.
    Don't take my word for it, do your own research and you will find the same thing I did!:eek:
     
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  8. Nathantc

    Nathantc New Member

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    this is very true,, and after doing my research i chose the .40 when i was trying to convince my self to stick with the 9mm

    so now my every day carry is my HK P-30 in .40s&w
     
  9. rickster

    rickster New Member

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    Very wise decision. I've had them all, 9mm and 45, I'll stick to my 40 S&W.
     
  10. purehavoc

    purehavoc New Member

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    I have unloaded all my .40 handguns, I just dont care to shoot all day with the high pressure cartridge , its not comfortable to go to a class and shoot 200-300 rds , I will stick with my 9mm and .45 . If you enjoy shooting the .40 more power to you , if you wanna make a bigger step jump up the the 10mm ;)
     
  11. Nathantc

    Nathantc New Member

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    i dont notice enough of a ""felt"" difference between 9mm and .40 in the exact same firearm,,, i dont know where you guys are getting this but the 9mm seems to have a much more violent recoil than the push of a 40 in the same frame,,, to me the .40 is more pleasant to shoot and even my 95lb wife enjoys my .40 more than her 9mm that she thought would be more comfortable to shoot,,, the only .40 that i ever owned that i didnt like was a tiny Khar PM40,, i hated that lil pistol
     
  12. Nathantc

    Nathantc New Member

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    here ya go,,, right from the beginning i like this cause i have been saying this all along

    [ame]http://youtu.be/Zgz7jTja9As[/ame]
     
  13. SigArmored

    SigArmored New Member

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    I liked this but I think some of the other guys will not so much.:)
     
  14. rhyno13

    rhyno13 New Member

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    It really does not matter how fast a bullet comes out of a gun, you can't outrun it anyway.
     
  15. SigArmored

    SigArmored New Member

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    I'll be the first to say I'm not even willing to stand in front of a daisy air rifle .
     
  16. kytowboater

    kytowboater Active Member

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    I won't voluntary stand in front if a paintball or air soft. I like to play paintball but I don't wanna he shot.
     
  17. Garadex

    Garadex New Member

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    Got shot in the nuts when I went paintballing once. I'm wearing a cup next time.
     
  18. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I have carried
    .45acp
    .357 mag
    .38 spec
    9MM

    on duty. Felt pretty well armed with all of them.

    Given a choice, I'll stick to my SIG-Sauer P226, 9MM.
     
  19. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    IMO, i thinktoo many people put an emphasis on caliber when accuracy is more important. the inability to hit your target due to the inability to control recoil or the lack of shooting skill due to practice. i gaurantee a ht with several 380's will trump misses from a 44 Mag anyday of the week.

    practice with what you shoot for SD or carrying is my advice. shoot the largest you can hit accurately with, consistently. there is no substitute for proper practice on a regular basis.
     
  20. therewolf

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    I CC full size, but while I prefer the .45 for it's larger, slower

    round, I also like the 9mm for the ammo capacity of a mag.

    It's a nice feeling when you can fire off 8 rounds, and still have

    10 in reserve, without dropping a mag.


    Now, at home, it's nice to have a little 22LR. Just enough to

    fight my way to my shotgun, but a lot easier on the lifestyle.

    If you really want to cook numbers, the 22LR has killed more

    than anything, right?