9mm vs 40 s&w

Discussion in 'Semi-Auto Handguns' started by morrow12tech, Jan 10, 2012.

  1. morrow12tech

    morrow12tech New Member

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    I have a Hk usp 45 I love the gun I am looking for a carry gun and I have looked At the glock 23 and the cz 2075 rami you can get them both in 9 or 40 and yes that would be a glock 17 for the 9 I have shot them. Both but I don't know what Caliber I should get
     
  2. FCross7

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    It would be a Glock 19, not 17.

    I prefer 9mm over 40 S&W.

    And you just opened up a huge can of worms.

    -Fred
     

  3. morrow12tech

    morrow12tech New Member

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    Ok sorry a 19 why do you prefer 9 over 40
     
  4. FCross7

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    I think Andy Stanford said it best:
    "If shooting is required, don't expect miracles. Handgun bullets do not possess magical powers. They merely poke holes in things. The permanent wound track created by the bullet represents the primary means by which any projectile affects a living target... the majority of human tissue will snap back unscathed after the passing of a pistol bullet, except for that tissue actually touched by the projectile."

    Andy Stanford, "Surgical Speed Shooting"

    There is about a .05 inch difference between a 9mm and a 40 S&W. The difference in the two rounds is minimal at best, so I would opt for the higher capacity. For me, in a fighting pistol, be it a sub compact concealed carry or full size open carry or home defense pistol, there are two things I look for within a given pistol size. Capacity and how fast I can put rounds on target. Notice I said rounds, not a round, and I'm talking service calibers here, so I don't wanna here "Well how about a .22lr then?" from anyone.

    If we look at what Andy said, size doesn't matter as much in pistol rounds as it does in rifle rounds because pistol velocities are too low to cause much damage other than the wound channel itself, thus making the slight extra diameter of the bigger round almost null. So again, capacity and being able to make fast accurate shots are the most important things to me.

    The cheaper ammo is nice too. If you practice like you should, the difference in cost will make a huge difference in the long run.

    The best advice I can give to you is go with what works better for you. The best thing you can do is rent them both and go with the one that feels better for you, because in the end, it's only your opinion that matters. What everyone else prefers should have no effect on your decision.

    -Fred
     
  5. dks7895

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    Well put Fred. I also prefer 9mm for the same reason. It's so much easier to shoot and practice makes perfect.
     
  6. lastrebel70

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    First off the Glock 17 is a 9mm as is the Glock 19. And secondly I 2 pistols both in .40 and can shoot then quite well if I do say so myself. Bottom line is get what you like and can shoot well, because you will be the one doing the shooting not all the "experts" on the internet.
     
  7. Magnum27

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    I think they were pointing out that the 19 is the carry gun since it is the compact 9mm. I know that many will carry the 17 as well.
     
  8. Chandler51

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    I would tend to believe that .40 or especially .45 would be better if I did ever need to use my weapon. The old story of the Army, when they used to use revolvers...they switched to .38, only to quickly switch back to the .45 after what was described as sub par "man stopping" power from the .38. Well, that story comes to mind.

    But, since our sub-conscience mind tends to have our best interest (especially where self preservation is concerned) at the front of the line, I have to ask myself... "why, after all that blow about the Army and their .45, do I find myself 90% of the time with a 16+1 9mm stuffed in my rig?"

    I think maybe it's because Andy Stanford did INDEED "say it best".

    Just like FCross...
     
  9. sweeper22

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    Get a G23 (40sw compact) if you like the feel of a Glock. For about $120 you can add a Lone Wolf 40-9 conversion barrel and shoot 9mm from the same gun. Heck, you could even add 357sig for another $120 if you like.
     
  10. FCross7

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    It appears that last line was directed at me. All I did was merely extrapolate the quote I used form Andy Stanford, who is no internet "expert", he's a firearms training expert who is well recognized in the field.

    If you read my last paragraph it says to get what he likes best.

    That is indeed what I was saying. Just that the 19 was the same size as the 23.

    The thing with the Army is a whole other story. They use ball ammo, and I will admit that if I was stuck with ball, I'd use a 45 too. 9mm ball is sub par at best.

    That's another idea as well. I have a question though, when using the conversion barrel, do you have to switch the RSA also?

    -Fred
     
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  11. Chandler51

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    I was actually agreeing with you...

    I carry a 9mm specifically because of capacity. I think in a lot of people's eyes the 9mm is substandard as a defense cartridge, but I'm not so sure that is warranted. Many of the worlds armies use it, so the argument that it is substandard has always confused me....if I'm not mistaken, "parabellum" translates to "made for war", or something similar.

    These are just my opinions.
     
  12. Olympus

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    I find the .40 to be too snappy to be comfortable to shoot, especially in a polymer frame gun.
     
  13. FCross7

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    Ah, gotcha. I kinda misread your original post. Yes, I believe it does translate to "made for war" or something to that effect.

    I would agree to a certain extent with people when they say 9mm is a substandard defense round, however, I would throw in that most other handgun calibers are as well, even the venerable .45 ACP. The only exceptions would be some of the bigger magnum calibers.

    When looked at across the board and compared to rifles, handguns just don't measure up. They're more or less all substandard, but since rifles are too big, and also illegal in most cases, to carry around, we compromise and carry handguns.

    I used to carry a .45, but after doing quite a bit of reading and research, I switched it up and went with 9mm, a Glock 26. I am however planning on picking up an M&P9c so I'll have a couple different options.

    -Fred
     
  14. FCross7

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    Same here. To me, they're totally uncomfortable to shoot. I put them up there with the Kel-Tec PF9 in terms of comfort.

    -Fred
     
  15. USMC-03

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    I'm a huge 9mm fan. I carry a G17 on my duty rig loaded with bonded pdx1 +p ammo. Have some of the rangers too that I'm thinking about giving a try. Get you some good ammo and learn to consistently put rounds where they need to be...don't worry about caliber, because it doesn't matter.
     
  16. Broke124

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    I read a ballistics test done by "x" company and they were testing percentage of "one shot stopping power". The .40 s&w corbon jhp was the winner with 96% success rate for one hitter quitters. BTW they tested EVERYTHING..22 short all the way to 10mm and 44 mag. Second best was .357 mag, then I believe third was 9mm, with 89 % success with corbon and speer gold dot. Of course none of this matters if u can't hit what ur aiming at. Hope this helps in your decision .

    "...rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." /G\
     
  17. Overkill0084

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    Cut to the chase:

    Get whichever one floats your boat. Hits with a 9 mm are better than misses with a howitzer...etc.
    Caliber is less important than finding a platform you shoot well.

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