9mm Legend

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by Shopfox, Dec 9, 2019.

  1. Shopfox

    Shopfox Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I'd like to submit a new cartridge to SAAMI. Everything would be identical to the existing 9x19, EXCEPT the bullet tolerance will be .357-.003.

    Actual. 357 bullets will not chamber. Only .355 bullets would be used.

    This "new" cartridge would safely fire in all existing 9mm chambered firearms. Practice ammo would sell for $0.16 a round, with recoil lower than the .350 Legend.

    The advantage is, the new headstamp on the round would make it "deer legal" in Ohio.

    How can I get this saami spec done on the cheap?
     
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  2. Shopfox

    Shopfox Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Picked up some bullets tonight. The guy on staff had printed and posted the clarification from the ODNR that 350 legend was deer legal in Ohio.

    His basic point was, the ODNR doesn't want people hunting with 9mm handguns. That's fine, but I could shoot the equally anemic 44 special's in my 44 mag and it would be legal [email protected]% whatever. Sometimes it's best to ignore screwy laws, and be happy.
     

  3. JTJ

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    What about rifles like the Ruger PC Carbine? It is a 9x19 but it is a rifle. Then there is the 357 magnum and 357 maximum rifles which will also shoot 38 spl. Are there power levels that have to be achieved?
     
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  4. Shopfox

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    No power levels. The law is ".357 or larger" - ostensibly, this is diameter. The part that's a bit rotten is the official spec of the legend is .357 -.002" Actual .357 bullets won't chamber in .350 legend (iirc, per Hodgdon, and later confirmed by Winchester), so Winchester is producing the round with .355" bullets, manufacturers are using .355" barrels, and ODNR is blithely saying, "well, the spec is .357", so it's legal". #$!&, just change the spec on existing 9mm if the only thing that matters is specs, not reality.

    10mm, .40 S&W, .45 ACP carbines are all legal and good-to-go in Ohio, just not the .355" 9x19 - i feel like $#%@& it. My 9mm self-identifies as a ".350 Legend special". Voila, it's legal.

    That's it - if ever stopped by a game warden, just explain "I'm shooting a wildcat cartridge that looks like 9mm, is stamped like 9mm, the firearms are 9mm - but the actual spec is .357"-.002", so it's not really a 9mm." This "wildcat" is the 9mm Legend, or 9mm Shopfox. I think I should take a vote on it's name...
     
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  5. JTJ

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    So a Super 38 would be legal.
     
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  6. Shopfox

    Shopfox Well-Known Member Supporter

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    no, because the spec is 0.356 -.006 (assuming the diagram below is the real spec). Now if the top end of the spec said 0.357" -x", it'd be legal - regardless of what size bullet was actually used...
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  7. Shopfox

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    Just need to change the bullet spec to 0.357"-.0070", rename it "38 Super Legend" or "Super 38 JTJ", and it magically becomes deer legal in Ohio.