91-30, Yea or nay?

Discussion in 'Curio & Relic Discussion' started by Benning Boy, Dec 16, 2008.

  1. Benning Boy

    Benning Boy New Member

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    Have an M-44, far from the most accurate gun in the world, but cheap and fun to shoot. Since the 91-30 is essentially the same gun with a longer barrel, is the accuracy improved enough to justify the purchase, or should I spend the money on ammo?
     
  2. ScottG

    ScottG New Member

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    The 91 30 isn't very expensive and it shoots the same ammo, so get another gun while you can....
     

  3. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    About $70 plus shipping from Southern Ohio Gun IF you have a C&R FFL. ANd the top scoring sniper in history was named Simo Hayha- guess what he used? The m/n's are ugly crude- and shoot very well. go over to surplusrifle.com, and read up on improving the triggers.
     
  4. Benning Boy

    Benning Boy New Member

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    I have the C&R, problem is I'm not sure if I can add a scope, as it would alter the gun, a big no no.
     
  5. c3shooter

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    Add a russian mount and scope, and it has not changed the rifle. For a 91/30.
     
  6. gandog56

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    Or get the scout scope mount so you can change it back with no alterations visible.
     
  7. AimHigh

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    Go for it. I bought a M44 (made 1945) first. Then I got a 91/30 round receiver (made 1943). It just felt better - balance wise. Less blast and felt recoil. Just picked up a M91/30 hex receiver (made 1933) I ordered from J&G. One of the issues with these surplus guns - when they are available take advantage of it. Some day the the river will run dry and the cost will go up. Remember when plentiful and cheap Chineese SKS's and Russian Makarovs were everywhere?
     
  8. opaww

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    I have a 91/30 also and I find it a very fun rifle to shoot and is a fair accurate rifle if I had to rely on it for sustenance leaving I would not turn my nose up at it. The iron sights are placed just right for me sense I ware Bi-focals
     
  9. GarandGuy

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    I wouldn't say it is a big "No-No" to alter any rifle, it is your own personal rifle, do with it what you want. The reason I say this is: "Do you plan on selling it anytime soon?". Most folks buy a firearm to keep it and so they may alter it to some degree or do a total sporterizing job on it at their own "personal" discretion, or keep it like it is. There was a gentleman that said his bifocals interfere with his sight alignment. Some folks need to make changes in order to enjoy shooting a rifle or any other type of firearm for them to enjoy personally. The 91-30 is a great rifle, bore sizes can vary quite a bit depending on the usage of it in the past, or how worn the tooling was too at the time of manufacture. Some bore sizes can range from .308" to .318" {!} in some cases too.

    I own a Sako rework M-39 hexagonal receiver and its accuracy is awesome, When I got it, it was fitted with an ATI stock and bolt handle, but I switched out the bolt handle and the aftermarket sights while not the best looking are great for accuracy and it also wears a Rock Mount bi-pod too.
     
  10. Charley

    Charley New Member

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    I would say "Yea"

    A nice 91/30 would be a good companion for your M44.

    Careful though............Mosins tend to breed other mosins. I know..........:D
     
  11. Dcomf

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    Ummm, well he didn't use a 91/30 I can tell you. He used a Finnish made M28/30 and a Suomi K31 SMG. A 91/30 compared to a Finn made 28/30 is not even close.
     
  12. Laufer

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    Though I've never hunted and only shoot at floating objects out to about 80 feet, the MN 44 is fun and much easier to maneuver & carry under/between tree limbs, cars in a garage etc.
    For these uses the much longer 91/30 seemed awkward, impractical and
    sold it.

    My shoulders are skinny and shooting while standing, don't need a recoil pad for the 44-put it on the SKS to lengthen the short stock.
     
  13. mpd8488

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    Well I now find myself in the same position as the original poster. I have an M44 and want to pick up a 91/30. There are plenty at the Hampton gun show this weekend with hex receivers for $105. Or I could go with a round receiver for about $95. Not the greatest prices, but considering I have a free ride out there (don't have a car right now) the convienence makes it appealing. The extra price is also worth being able to look them over beforehand. I'm sure the best ones have been picked over, but I think certain flaws to add character (and perhaps can be a bargaining chip with some of the sellers).

    Decisions, decision. . .
     
  14. Benning Boy

    Benning Boy New Member

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    I hadn't really considered the supply drying up, but I can see it happening. Guess I'd better jump on it while I can.
     
  15. SlamFire

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    Never regretted buying ANY gun. Regretted NOT buying a couple. Does that help? :D
     
  16. janikphoto

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    I don't think the previous posters were worried about altering the rifle and affecting value or keeping it original. They were worried about altering a rifle obtained through a c&r. Since a c&r is about collecting historic firearms, it might be a no-no to alter it.

    by the way, i REALLY want a mosin, and will have one soon.
     
  17. Benning Boy

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    Correct. You can't Bubba a C&R acquired firearm.
     
  18. GarandGuy

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    Why do you say "Bubba"? Bubba is when someone who {thinks} that they are a gunsmith ruins a perfectly good C&R. I have a truly Bubba'd K-98 Mauser that I bought for $75 and it is a GROSS attempt at sporterizing, for details, please PM me.

    So is this to say that you cannot replace the barrel if needed, or stock if needed or replace parts if needed? Why would a scope be a no-no? Also, what is the difference just because someone bought it with a C&R versus someone who could buy the exact same kind of gun in a gunshop on a shelf or from a private owner? I've been to many forums and never heard of this. :confused:

    Also, if the rifle was made prior to 1899 it excuses it from ANY FFL.
    Pre-1899 Firearms FAQ About half way down the page you will find a paragraph about Mosin's.

    If there is a doubt to the date of manufacturer you can usually find it under the tang which requires disassembly. My Finn captured M-39 falls in this category and is heavily altered but still very serviceable. My Swedish Mauser 6.5x55mm Carbine falls in this category as well. Also, here is another handy link:
    7.62x54r.net The now late friend I got the M-39 from bought it from a man with a C&R and he altered it to suit him. I changed out the ATI bolt handle and replaced it with a straight bolt handle because the torque needed to lift the bolt after firing required a HICKORY rough cut 2x6 and a "B.F.H."! My M-39 has an ATI stock, Rock Monut Bi-Pod, nylon padded sling, and aftermarket sights and is exceptionally accurate with a .310" bore and a 26" long Finn barrel of said bore size. The Finn's made the barrels to not only fire their own ammo which they sized at 7.62x53 but kept the longer throat design, rimmed ammo headspaces on the rim not the shoulder, but also any Russian ammo they may encounter on the battlefield, even the high pressured machine gun ammo made in Russia as well.

    Besides, who is really going to check up on you on a regular basis to see if you added an era correct optic and mount on a C&R weapon? Does the FCC knock on every door for illegal HAM radios everyday? I seriously believe if you did it tastefully and tried to keep it era correct I doubt they would tar and feather you. I also do believe that Seastalkingbear can attest to this statement as well.

    My M-39 started life as a Sestroryetsk M-91 {not M-91-30} made in Russia and falls in the Pre-1899 exemptions. And is a Sako rework as well.

    I plan on altering my M-1 Garand but in good taste. Different barrel in same caliber, not that .308 stuff and keeping it looking "stock" or within factory parameters. PM me for details as well if you have any doubts.

    Also, please read my Public Profile under "Additional Information" as well. I used to Moderate in about 7 forums and was not only a "Roving Topic Moderator", but I was also a Military Surplus specific Moderator as well, along with my military time.

    With all due respect. GarandGuy
     
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  19. janikphoto

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    This is NOT to say you can never repair a c&r. The idea behind a c&r is to collect and use historic firearms. And nobody said a scope is a definite no-no. We said you should check into the laws BEFORE doing it. It might be an issue, since major changes aren't allowed. Refurbing and repairing are different from altering.

    A BIG difference! The c&r is a special permit given by the government, allowing you to COLLECT historic firearms. Because of this, you must also keep a list/book off all your c&r firearms, and I think there are restrictions on how soon or how many in your collection can be sold per year. Someone else can chime in with more accurate details, but the basic idea is YES, there IS a difference between the two...
     
  20. GarandGuy

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    OK I stand corrected at the present time, but if you bought the firearm you should be able to do what you want with it within respect of the C&R rules and not be chastised for keeping it respectable within era correct parts or era respectable alterations. So long as you don't try to pass it off as ORIGINAL it should not be a National Threat nor catastrophy. I edited this and my last post too. Sorry if I offended you Janik or anyone else on this matter. I'm not a C&R or FFL holder, maybe it's a good thing I'm not? JOKING on my last question. But I do know a good bit about the statistics and ballistics and history of milsurps.
     
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