9 mm Browning Long vs 9x19mm Parabellum

Discussion in 'Glock Forum' started by Old_Brewer, Mar 1, 2008.

  1. Old_Brewer

    Old_Brewer New Member

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  2. BillM

    BillM Active Member Supporter

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    The rim might fit, but that .046" longer case would probably be a problem.
    I doubt that it would go completely into battery. If you had a Glock in
    9x21 the extractor would likely hold it tight enough to fire.
    Where are you going to get any 9mm Browning Long ammo? I've never
    seen any.

    Bill
     

  3. Old_Brewer

    Old_Brewer New Member

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    Hi Bill thanks for the reply.

    http://www.centuryarms.biz/products.asp?cat=11&pg=3

    Product ID: AM964
    9mm Browning Long (108 GR.) Details & Associated Product Family
    Boxer primed, Non-Corrosive. 50 rds./box, 1000 rds./case. Price per box.
    Price: $6.55

    I've bought quite a bit of ammo from Century International Arms, in the past.
    They have good prices and reasonable shipping costs. There ammo is good.
    I finally bought a 9mm, and I haven't reloaded any ammo, yet. I thought a bulk buy on ammo would be a good idea, but I don't want to buy 1000 rounds if they won't shoot!

    I've been buying Winchester ammo at Wal-Mart for about $17/100 after taxes.

    Thanks
     
  4. BillM

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    That's a pretty good price! I'm tempted to buy a case, and chamber
    a spare barrel for one of my G17's deeper for the Browning Long cartridge.

    Not sure if that extra .012" of rim diameter would be a problem. Guess I
    need to do a little measuring before I jump on the idea.

    Bill
     
  5. Old_Brewer

    Old_Brewer New Member

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    You might want to use this link to find a dealer near you:

    http://www.centuryarms.biz/DealerLocator.asp

    Maybe they would buy a case and sell you a box.

    I also did the math:

    The head spacing could be an issue, as the case is .006 is shorter than the 9x19.

    The OAL is .069 longer than the 9x19. edit: My reloading data shows 9x19 OAL ranging from 1.010" to 1.120".

    I'm going to the local gun shop & see what they think.
     
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  6. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    Your Glock is chambered in 9x19mm. I'd suggest sticking with the ammo that the pistol was designed to fire, especially because it's a Glock. Glocks tend to become bombs when exposed to anything over their SAAMI speced chamber pressures.
     
  7. Old_Brewer

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    Thanks

    I agree. I've spent the morning following links. I want to keep my Glock in one piece, not like those blown up ones.
     
  8. BillM

    BillM Active Member Supporter

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    Glock 9x19 pistols have been factory chambered in 9x21 for the Italian and
    other markets that forbid 9x19.
     
  9. BillM

    BillM Active Member Supporter

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    OK--now I'm confused. According to the link that YOU provided, the 9mm
    Browning Long is:

    .046" longer case
    .012" larger rim
    .007" smaller case base
    .004" smaller neck
    .059" shorter OAL

    compared to the 9x19. The first two----case length and rim diameter,
    are what would possibly prevent the 9mm Browning Long firing in a 9x19
    gun.
     
  10. Old_Brewer

    Old_Brewer New Member

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    The 9x19 case length is .754"
    The "Long" case length is .800"
    The difference is only .006"

    I agree with the rim difference.

    This is the main reason why I'm not going to try this substitution:

    http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/glock-kb-faq.html

    Also, I've been buying Winchester ammo at Wal-Mart for about $17/100 after taxes. The price difference is only about $2/100. The Wal-Mart price went up about 3 weeks ago in Ohio. I plan on buying a few boxes, before the prices go up in Texas. (Unless they already have.)

    PS The OAL is .069 longer than the 9x19. edit: My reloading data shows 9x19 OAL ranging from 1.010" to 1.120".
     
  11. BillM

    BillM Active Member Supporter

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    Okey Doke, If 800 minus 754 is 6 in your world, so be it.

    I've worked as a machinist and fabricator for 35 years, and
    in MY world 800 minus 754 equals 46.

    Bill
     
  12. Old_Brewer

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    Sorry about that. You are correct.
     
  13. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    .046" is a pretty damn big difference too.
     
  14. BillM

    BillM Active Member Supporter

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    OK---back to the original question----Can you fire 9mm Browning long in a
    9x19 Glock.

    No.

    Case is .046 longer. Glock would not go into battery.
    Rim is .404 . I just measured 3 9mm Glocks, the breechface cut is .394-.395
    The 9mm long rim would not fit.

    You COULD probably fire 9mm Browning long in a pistol chambered for 38ACP
    or 38 Super. Especially if it were an older pistol that headspaced on the
    rim. 38ACP, 38 Super and 9mm Browning long are all semi-rimmed, with the
    Browning long having a .100 shorter case.

    Bill
     
  15. Old_Brewer

    Old_Brewer New Member

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    Thanks Bill

    I appreciate your knowledge and patience.
     
  16. kiev721

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    for all yee that dont like the 9x19, its better than .380 and probably as good as9mmbrw lng. only trade off might be cost pr rnd. converting any weapon to another caliber can be prohibitevly spendy int time and dollars and you dont allways get what you expected. you may have unnessasarly runied a good piece.
    look int bbl. mfg's that make bbls for your piece see if one is being made in the desired caliber for you model of weapon, if you just want cheap ammo to shoot get a 22.simi auto. and nock yourself out.its just as much fun. as a custom cal. gun. if you do change let me know how it turns out.:rolleyes::)
     
  17. canebrake

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    The 9mm Browning Long is obsolete.

    Just like this 2008 question.
     
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    Kiev- you ARE aware that our unofficial rules require anyone that resurects a thread more than 2 years old IS required to buy it a cake, and sing Happy Birthday? :p
     
  19. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    Great rule, c3shooter! Where's my slice, Kiev? :p
     
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    I like red velvet!!