8mm Mauser vs .308 Winchester

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  1. Winchester94

    Winchester94 New Member

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    Just out of curiosity, how do they compare in ballistics?
     
  2. wittmeba

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    .308 Winchester (7.62X51)
    Ballistic performance
    Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy
    150 gr (10 g) Nosler tip 2,820 ft/s (860 m/s) 2,648 ft·lbf (3,590 J)
    165 gr (11 g) BTSP 2,700 ft/s (820 m/s) 2,671 ft·lbf (3,621 J)
    168 gr (11 g) BTHP 2,700 ft/s (820 m/s) 2,630 ft·lbf (3,570 J)
    175 gr (11 g) BTHP 2,645 ft/s (806 m/s) 2,720 ft·lbf (3,690 J)
    Test barrel length: 24 in


    8MM Mauser (7.92X57)
    Ballistic performance
    Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy
    11.7 g (181 gr) RWS DK 820 m/s (2,700 ft/s) 3,934 J (2,902 ft·lbf)
    12.1 g (187 gr) RWS HMK 820 m/s (2,700 ft/s) 4,068 J (3,000 ft·lbf)
    12.7 g (196 gr) RWS TMR 800 m/s (2,600 ft/s) 4,064 J (2,997 ft·lbf)
    12.8 g (198 gr) RWS ID Classic 800 m/s (2,600 ft/s) 4,096 J (3,021 ft·lbf)
    Test barrel length: 600 mm (23.62 in)
    Source(s): RWS / RUAG Ammotech [1]


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.308_Winchester

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.92×57mm_Mauser
     

  3. Winchester94

    Winchester94 New Member

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    Thanks for the info! Would you say it'd be fine for whitetail?
     
  4. nchunt101

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    Both are great whitetail rounds.
     
  5. wittmeba

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  6. Winchester94

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    I love military surplus rifles and was just curious how it compared.
     
  7. Winchester94

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    I should add that my lgs has a good deal on a Czech large ring Mauser.
     
  8. 303tom

    303tom Well-Known Member

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    They are both great White-tail rounds & only the availability makes the .308 a better round !..............
     
  9. Shoobee

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    The 8mm Mauser was a German hunting gun adapted to warfare.

    It compares similarly with the 30-06 Springfield, although slightly less powerful than the 06. But more powerful than the 308.

    All 3 of them ('06, Mauser, and 308) are essentially big game hunting guns.

    The Germans realized first that these calibers were essentially too big for practical infantry warfare. Great for snipers, not good for foot soldiers.

    Thus the carbine era was then born with the StG, AK and M-1 Carbine.

    These ultimately evolved into the AK-74 and the AR's.

    So it all depends on your quary.

    If you are hunting or defending-against men, then the AK-74 or the various American 5.56's are better.

    If you are hunting deer, then the 308's or Mauser's are better.
     
  10. Winchester94

    Winchester94 New Member

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    I've already got a .308 and don't have a milsurp rifle yet so I'm think of getting the 8mm.
     
  11. Winchester94

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    Whitetail, maybe a black bear, and some inanimate targets should be what I use it for.
     
  12. Shoobee

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    I have hunting buddies who have shot black bears with 30-06's and have had to shoot them over and over before they finally died.

    Ergo for bears I would strongly suggest a magnum rifle of some kind, not a 308 nor a Mauser.

    I don't hunt bears because I don't like bear meat -- tried it and it is tough and nasty.

    But I did confront a bear once, and with my 338 magnum rifle at the time I had no doubt I could have killed him had he charged.

    He must have read my body language because he took off running the second we made eye contact.
     
  13. 303tom

    303tom Well-Known Member

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    Well get one !................LOL
     
  14. Winchester94

    Winchester94 New Member

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    That's what I'm saying! :)
    I've shot a bunch of them but have yet to get one.
     
  15. jpattersonnh

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    .308, .30-06, or 8x57 will take there share of Elk and bear. In .308, bullet choice is critical as is range.

    Most Black bear are shot at less then 100 yards. .308, .30-06, 8x57, all are fine choices. It is when you talk bigger bears such as Brown or Grizzly that you need the correct bullet. Needing a heavy bullet makes the .308 questionable. The .30-06 and 8x57 will do the job, if you can shoot.

    Trajectory
    Input Data
    Manufacturer: Barnes Description: Triple-Shock™ X Boattail
    Caliber: 0.323 in Weight: 180.0 gr
    Ballistic Coefficient: 0.381 G1 (ASM)
    Muzzle Velocity: 2700.0 ft/s Distance to Chronograph: 1.0 ft
    Sight Height: 1.50 in Sight Offset: 0.00 in
    Zero Height: 0.00 in Zero Offset: 0.00 in
    Windage: 0.000 MOA Elevation: 0.000 MOA
    Line Of Sight Angle: 0.0 deg Cant Angle: 0.0 deg
    Wind Speed: 5.0 mph Wind Angle: 90.0 deg
    Target Speed: 0.0 mph Target Angle: 0.0 deg
    Target Height: 12.0 in
    Temperature: 59.0 °F Pressure: 29.92 in Hg
    Humidity: 0 % Altitude: 0.0 ft
    Vital Zone Radius: 5.0 in
    Std. Atmosphere at Altitude: No Pressure is Corrected: Yes
    Zero at Max. Point Blank Range: No Target Relative Drops: Yes
    Mark Sound Barrier Crossing: No Include Extra Rows: No
    Column 1 Units: 1.00 in Column 2 Units: 1.00 MOA
    Round Output to Whole Numbers: No
    Output Data
    Elevation: 4.706 MOA Windage: 0.000 MOA
    Atmospheric Density: 0.07647 lb/ft³ Speed of Sound: 1116.4 ft/s
    Maximum PBR: 318 yd Maximum PBR Zero: 271 yd
    Range of Maximum Height: 150 yd Energy at Maximum PBR: 1567.3 ft•lbs
    Sectional Density: 0.246 lb/in²
    Calculated Table
    RangeDrop Drop WindWind Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead
    (yd) (in)(MOA) (in) (MOA (ft/s) (none) (ft•lbs) time
    0 -1.5 *** 0.0 *** 2700.8 2.419 2915.0 0.000 0.0 ***
    50 0.3 0.7 0.1 0.2 2579.2 2.310 2658.3 0.057 0.0 0.0
    100 0.9 0.9 0.5 0.4 2460.8 2.204 2419.8 0.116 0.0 0.0
    150 -0.0 -0.0 1.1 0.7 2345.5 2.101 2198.4 0.179 0.0 0.0
    200 -2.5 -1.2 2.0 0.9 2233.2 2.000 1993.0 0.244 0.0 0.0

    Just under 2000fpe at 200 yards is no slouch.

    OP, if you want all the performance the 8x57 has, you better become a recoil junkie!! You really need to reload for it also.
     
  16. Winchester94

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    I'm not a recoil sensitive person and I plan on reloading in the future. Would a WW2 rifle be safe to fire hot rounds? The one I'm looking at is a BRNO large ring Mauser.
     
  17. SSGN_Doc

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    The Mauser 98 is a bit on the "overbuilt" side and should handle full loads. The BRNO built guns have a good reputation for quality.

    Many of the factory loads are under loaded and this is why hand loading can become important for wringing out the most performance.
     
  18. Winchester94

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    Thanks, I figured it should be fine but I wanted to make sure.
     
  19. jpattersonnh

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    What he said!!!;)

    One thing to remember, a surplus rifle that has original stock will be heavy to carry. Accuracy w/ Brno rifles is excellent, for a military rifle. So if you are shooting a 4", 5 shot group, offhand at 100 yards, you have a 200 yard hunter. You need to practice the same way you will hunt.
     
  20. Winchester94

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    Thanks for the tips. 100 yards will most likely be my max distance around here. The weight shouldn't be a problem either.