870 vs 870 super magnum

Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by icallshotgun88, Feb 8, 2014.

  1. icallshotgun88

    icallshotgun88 New Member

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    what exactly is the difference?

    other than the fact the super magnum can shoot 3&1/2?
    i also know the ejection port is slightly bigger...anything else?

    are there different parts?
    are the parts bigger?

    anything?

    thanks!
     
  2. freetobefree

    freetobefree New Member

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    Super mag is a longer action to shoot 31/2 shells... that's all

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  3. John_Deer

    John_Deer New Member

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    Regardless of the length of the shell you can only put so much pressure on a 12 ga barrel. The human body can only stand so much recoil. A full house 3" 12 ga load generates over 70 lb of recoil.
     
  4. Gonzilla

    Gonzilla Active Member

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    They had to change the design a bit and this is covered in the owners manual which is available on line from Remington and probably numerous other sources. If you are feeling lazy, youtube probably has a few covering the differences but their validy is based on the skill base of the people.

    The original Rem 870 platform is a proven design. Unless you are a heavy duck or goose hunter, I don't know why you would need a 3.5" 12 ga.
     
  5. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Active Member

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    An 870 kicks like a Shetland pony. An 870 super mag shooting 3.5's kicks like a Missouri mule on steroids.
     
  6. Mercator

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    I can only say, for pheasant, for home defense, and for clays, Magnum shells are not needed.
     
  7. kfox75

    kfox75 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Add deer, turkey, and bears to that list. Folks were dropping them with a 12 ga, 2.5 inch shell long before the 2.75 came around. If you spend a lot of time in duck and goose blinds, then maybe a 3.5 inch super mag might be warranted, but generally a 2.75 will get the job done.
     
  8. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    most modern shotguns are now chambered for a 3" shell. 2.75 and 3" will cover most people's needs in a shotgun. a 3.5" magnum shell might be used where a 10 ga. use to be used.
     
  9. bamashooter68

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    I have a super mag 870 and I use the 3 1/2'' shells for turkey hunting and occasionally goose and duck. I have found out that I don't need 3 1/2'' shells most of the time because 2 3/4 and 3'' usually gets the job done just fine. I do use them and its fun to let other people shoot it and see their reactions. I bought some 3 1/2'' 00Buck and that stuff was brutal to shoot.
     
  10. icallshotgun88

    icallshotgun88 New Member

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    i didnt want this thread to turn into whether or not one needs a 3&1/2" gun or not..

    ill probably NEVER need a 3&1/2" but i bought the 870 super mag because i didnt want to be limited, it came in the waterfowl camo i wanted and i'll get a kick out of shooting the 3&1/2" shells...pun intended ;)

    so longer action?
    bigger ejection port?
    but the rest is the same?

    i know the standard 870 is the "proven" system, but if those are the only differences than theoretically the super mag will be pretty darned reliable...
     
  11. Virginian

    Virginian Active Member

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    Go to www.remington.com and pull up the parts list and you can see which parts are different. I have not shot a 3-1/2" shell in an 870, but I did shoot some in a Mossberg pump some years back when I was considering getting one. I swear the Mossberg kicked less than a Benelli SBE One. That was the worst kicking shotgun I have ever shot, and I had a specially lightened 10 gauge BPS.
     
  12. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    whether you truly need it or not, you do now have the capablity of shooting 3.5" shells if the situation or desire comes along. you are not required to justify buying what you want. many of us buy guns that have no real practical purpose other than we wanted it. i have some that fit into that catagory. if you're happy with it, then enjoy it.
     
  13. icallshotgun88

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    well i will be using this for hunting and trap/skeet, but the goal of this thread to was to compare the super magnum to the standard version because im curious of its "proven" reliability...
    if it was a completely different shotgun i'd be a little concerned, but i feel i have nothing to worry about
     
  14. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i think it's been around long enough that if there were any major issues with them we would have heard about them. after all we do live in the internet age!
     
  15. Hookeye

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    You might want 3.5" if shooting geese with steel.
    I got the 23" turkey model Supermag 870 and it's my backup rig.
    Imp Cyl choketube it ran right at 50% on doves last yr at a F&W drawing (steel #6).
    Year before, 2nd day (also drawn) it ran 9 in a row before I got stoopid (still shot 50%).
    Guy with the Redlabel and shorthair to my right (most birds coming from him) packed up and left.
    He was having a rough day, and my cheap "wrong" gun was doing pretty good :)

    The guns are the same really, receiver length the same. There is an enlarged ejection port, some trigger group and action bar differences for the slightly longer stroke. If you aren't a regular 870 purist you won't know the diff in feel.

    I've had 3 Supermags and over a dozen regular mags. No probs.

    Do prefer bismuth #2 in 3" and an autoloader for geese. Makes triples easier :) To keep cost down, steel in 3.5" might work...........but back in the day i hated the results. Brings honkers down most times, and when they hit the deck they often aint out of the game.

    That was with BBB steel, not any of the hex or cutter types of pellets.

    Got some Blindside BB to try on goose in 3.5". Turkey loads I just run 3", HV #4.... inside 40 yards it slams em.

    3.5" steel loads I don't think to have much recoil.
     
  16. Winchester94

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    I think it's basically just an 870 for big boys. :)

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  17. Hookeye

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    Supermag running 3" HV 4's, 42 yards
    Kinda like that gun ;)
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  18. RMc

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    The 3.5" 12 Gauge, aside from its original steel shot purpose, has a great deal of versatility for handloaders with its higher PSI rating and greater capacity for built up wad columns. Also, any 870 barrel (except Special Field models) will work with the 870 Super Mag platform - limited to shells for the chamber length of the barrel.
     
  19. Hookeye

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    Special Field.................loved my little 20 gauge.
    FWIW Hastings made slug barrels for Special Field 870's. Probably tough to find but I thought it funny that for years Cabelas had pics of them when advertising other stuff.
     
  20. Sniper03

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    I agree 88!

    Once someone shoots enough 3" mags they get the point you are trying to make regarding considering a 3 1/2" Mag. Also one time a buddy purchased a reasonably priced name brand scope for his 3" Mag. for deer hunting. About 10 rounds and the scope was trash. Which means if one was going to do that they should purchase a scope that will take the recoil like a Leupold, Nikon, and that quality of scope $$$$$. Perosnaly even for geese the 3" mag is all I use and 2 3/4s on Ducks, Pheseants and the like! 3.5 simply has way too much recoil for most people. Not to mention the price of 3 1/2 Mags.
    And certainly might help to promote a flinch that they may have difficulty get over!

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