[andlar]

I'm really wanting to get a rem 700 sps tac 308 but I keep looking at the xcr in 20. Besides the price obviously the big difference I see Is a floating barrell. I'm a recreational shooter that is getting into long range and can shoot at 1000 yards at the furthest but mainly 750-500 would the xcr and the floating barrell make that much difference? Also does a stock change cause more risk on the sps because of the lack of floating barrell

 

[locutus]

You'll never regret a 700 SPS.

I don't have an xcr so can't comment on that one.

 

[Jynxx13]

IMO I would choose the xcr tactical for many reasons. As you stated it has a free floated barrel which results in greater accuracy. Another point to make is the stock. The xcr has a tactical bell and Carson stock which is better than the sps. I believe it is a fiberglass stock which will help your should over the long run! Also the xcr has an adjustable trigger which is new with Remington and is VERY nice. I'm having a same problem as you with choosing. I very much like the xcr tactical and the Tikka t3 varmint. If you havnt looked at the tikka t3 you might want to take a look!

 

[locutus]

IMO I would choose the xcr tactical for many reasons. As you stated it has a free floated barrel which results in greater accuracy. Another point to make is the stock. The xcr has a tactical bell and Carson stock which is better than the sps. I believe it is a fiberglass stock which will help your should over the long run! Also the xcr has an adjustable trigger which is new with Remington and is VERY nice. I'm having a same problem as you with choosing. I very much like the xcr tactical and the Tikka t3 varmint. If you havnt looked at the tikka t3 you might want to take a look!

Uhhhhh....... where did you get the info that a Bell & Carlson stock is better?????? If it is, that's news to me.

And a free floated barrel may be more accurate on some rifles, but less accurate on others. I've had a couple of free floated barrels that wouldn't shoot worth a damn until I full length pressure bedded them.

This is not meant as a criticism of the xcr, just a general comment.

 

[Jynxx13]

the Remington M700 has had an adjustable trigger since it's introduction on the market in 1962. they changed the trigger design to the X-Mark adjustable trigger in 2005.

Thank you I did not realize that. I still believe that the xcr is a better choice. I have heard rumors, true or not, that Remington is not what it used to be though.

 

[Marlinman]

Op either rifle is a good rifle. Also sps IS free floated. Just not to the extent the xcr is. Both have an adjustable trigger and have for years. As to the B&C stock-they are a good stock but shyt when compared to the TRUELY good stocks like Hogue, McMillan, and Styr. I'm a gunsmith and I handle new/old/custom rifles daily and have yet to see a problem w the new Remington's except the fact that the 770 is a true pos. ALL new line of rifles from the old companies like Remington, Winchester, and marlin have had good and bad happen to em but they are all back to awesome standards.......well except them damn 770's that is.

 

[Jynxx13]

and i would assume that you believe everything you hear or read without checking it out for yourself? contrary to popular opinion, everything you read on the internet isn't always factual.

i have heard these rumours about the Remingtons for a few years now. well, so far i found them to be mostly, just that, rumours. i look at many firearms on pretty regular basis in several places and you would think all these defective and ill made firearms that are plagueing the market, that i would come across at least a few of them. hmmmm.......just something for you think about before spreading more of the rumours or feeding into without checking it out for yourself.

Sorry but I wasn't "feeding into rumors without checking it out" and I clearly stated that the were rumors, not factual statements. I have checked into it with several smiths and gun salesmen besides the "Internet". I was just implying to research a little more before purchasing.

 

[blucoondawg]

As others have stated here, I don't buy into the Remington is garbage thing that some people are spreading around on here, I have stuck up for Remington on many threads and will continue to do so until I find a reason not to and I doubt that will happen. I am in the market for a new varmint caliber rifle in the 223 or 22-250 I'm leaning toward the 223 simply because I have a ton of brass for it, however I'm a lefty so my choices are limited but I will likely end up with the Rem CDL or Lefty Varmint SPS.

 

[Marlinman]

As others have stated here, I don't buy into the Remington is garbage thing that some people are spreading around on here, I have stuck up for Remington on many threads and will continue to do so until I find a reason not to and I doubt that will happen. I am in the market for a new varmint caliber rifle in the 223 or 22-250 I'm leaning toward the 223 simply because I have a ton of brass for it, however I'm a lefty so my choices are limited but I will likely end up with the Rem CDL or Lefty Varmint SPS.

Savage is also a very good viable lefty option for relatively cheap that is varmint killin juju.

 

[Marlinman]

IIRC, Savage offers more LH versions than most others do.

it would be nice to see Marlin start offering the X7 series in a LH version as well.

They are supposed to soon jonas....but w this new buy out who in the sam hell knows what they will actually make or start.

 

[blucoondawg]

IIRC, Savage offers more LH versions than most others do.

it would be nice to see Marlin start offering the X7 series in a LH version as well.

Yes, I checked out their site as I have read good things about them from your posts on this forum and was disappointed to see they don't offer a lefty. I was actually intending to stay away from Varmint models as I'd rather have a slim barrel hunting rifle than a heavy pulp stick bench rifle, right now I have found the Rem cdl, Rem varmint sps, the Ruger in the classic wood stock, the Savage 12FLV which doesnt offer the accustock and is a heavy barrel, the Savage 16/116 FLHSS which is accustock and slim ss barrel. Right now I would be leaning toward the Rem or Ruger, how I don't have any experience with the Savage 16 and don't really want ss

To the OP, sorry about the hijack, kinda gettin off course here.

 

[andlar]

Op either rifle is a good rifle. Also sps IS free floated. Just not to the extent the xcr is. Both have an adjustable trigger and have for years. As to the B&C stock-they are a good stock but shyt when compared to the TRUELY good stocks like Hogue, McMillan, and Styr. I'm a gunsmith and I handle new/old/custom rifles daily and have yet to see a problem w the new Remington's except the fact that the 770 is a true pos. ALL new line of rifles from the old companies like Remington, Winchester, and marlin have had good and bad happen to em but they are all back to awesome standards.......well except them damn 770's that is.

That is true about the trigger. The adjustment is the same as the xcr. However from every spec I read it hasn't Said anything about a floating barrell. And the factory riffle has a hogue stock and that's where the difference is between the xcr and sps. . It is my understanding that I can upgrade my stock when I can afford it and create a floating barrel.

 

[andlar]

Also what type if scope would be recommended in the 500-600$ range for 500 -700 yards

 

[Marlinman]

That is true about the trigger. The adjustment is the same as the xcr. However from every spec I read it hasn't Said anything about a floating barrell. And the factory riffle has a hogue stock and that's where the difference is between the xcr and sps. . It is my understanding that I can upgrade my stock when I can afford it and create a floating barrel.

The SPS is free floated. The the inside edges on the barrel channel is just flared out to the barrel

 

[andlar]

The SPS is free floated. The the inside edges on the barrel channel is just flared out to the barrel

Thanx for the info.. Then what makes the xcr almost 800$ more? If they are both free floated? Besides 2 swivel brackets in foregrip

 

[Marlinman]

Thanx for the info.. Then what makes the xcr almost 800$ more? If they are both free floated? Besides 2 swivel brackets in foregrip

The action is trued, all the parts being smoothed, higher quality stock, better metals used, and more attention to details

 

[andlar]

The action is trued, all the parts being smoothed, higher quality stock, better metals used, and more attention to details

I know I've heard this before and is probly a dumb ? but what exactly do you mean by the action is trued?

 

[Marlinman]

I know I've heard this before and is probly a dumb ? but what exactly do you mean by the action is trued?

Smoothed out and silky smooth w no flaws cuz they have been removed as much as is possible

 

[andlar]

Smoothed out and silky smooth w no flaws cuz they have been removed as much as is possible

That what I thought thanks....any suggestion for optics in the 500-600$ for 500-700 yards with mill dots?

 

[Marlinman]

That what I thought thanks....any suggestion for optics in the 500-600$ for 500-700 yards with mill dots?

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