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All of the Wolf and Brown Bear 7.62X39 ammo I have are FMJ's for plinking. I was wondering if the HP's were best for personal protection or just stick with the FMJ's? What would you use for personal protection.?
 

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In my handguns i use HP's in my AR and AK i use FMJ. The military use FMJ only. I really dont see and big difference in FMJ or HP in these rifle calibers. If using a 7.62x39 you are not real considered about over pentitration. If using against body armor the FMJ is a better choice. Check the stats of both and try both and choice for yourself, But in my opinion FMJ is a good choice.
 

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All of the Wolf and Brown Bear 7.62X39 ammo I have are FMJ's for plinking. I was wondering if the HP's were best for personal protection or just stick with the FMJ's? What would you use for personal protection.?
The FMJ was made to penitrate and not mushroom. (Goes in small comes out small)
The HP goes in small and comes out "Big". "Much more stopping power!!!"
 

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FMJ was made NATO to wound.

In my handguns i use HP's in my AR and AK i use FMJ. The military use FMJ only. I really dont see and big difference in FMJ or HP in these rifle calibers. If using a 7.62x39 you are not real considered about over pentitration. If using against body armor the FMJ is a better choice. Check the stats of both and try both and choice for yourself, But in my opinion FMJ is a good choice.
A good stop requires a soft tip or a hollow point. My friend came back from Iraq and said he would have given any price for some soft points if he woud not get in trouble for it. He shot one guy coming at him, and shooting, from 90 Metters closing to 20 meeters. My friend thought he was missing the target. A head shot stopped him at 20 yards. On examination of the bad guy all other 18 rounds hit chest area. FMJ's are not good stoppers!:confused:
 

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A good stop requires a soft tip or a hollow point. My friend came back from Iraq and said he would have given any price for some soft points if he woud not get in trouble for it. He shot one guy coming at him, and shooting, from 90 Metters closing to 20 meeters. My friend thought he was missing the target. A head shot stopped him at 20 yards. On examination of the bad guy all other 18 rounds hit chest area. FMJ's are not good stoppers!:confused:
FMJs not good stoppers? A FMJ 7.62x51mm will stop a guy dead in his tracks.
 

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A good stop requires a soft tip or a hollow point. My friend came back from Iraq and said he would have given any price for some soft points if he woud not get in trouble for it. He shot one guy coming at him, and shooting, from 90 Metters closing to 20 meeters. My friend thought he was missing the target. A head shot stopped him at 20 yards. On examination of the bad guy all other 18 rounds hit chest area. FMJ's are not good stoppers!:confused:

It all depends on the target being engaged!!! if engaging individuals in plain clothes HP are very affective, If engaging thru ANYTHING that is semi hard FMJ are better to use because it will not lose volicity prior to hitting the intended target(threat). Like i said in my first post, it depends and to try different rounds and pick for yourself. Try some test. Shoot both HP and FMJ thru objects infront of your target (i.e Car doors, concrete blocks, glass) anything that you may encounter in your AO. you will be suprised as to what certain bullets will penetrate.

I also bet that your friend was using a 55gr 5.56 round, They are not good stoppers anyway. The Military should have stayed with the 30/06 and the .45.
 

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7.62x39fmj Or H.p.?

HELLO ALL


Ron L here = SERESURPLUS



Use the right tool, for the right job, if you want penetration and of for cheaper plinking or breaking a AK or SKS IN, FMJ, if you want hits of meat, and soft targets, H.P. been there, done that and I burned the T-shirt! LOL
 

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Didn't say they can't stop. Just as others have said, "right tool for the right job." Just not the best for anti-personel. there is a reason Snipers use a Federal Gold Metal Match with a 168 grain Boat-tailed Hollow point. Come to think of it, there are not many problems that cannot be fixed with a 168 gr. BTHP! Old sniper phrase.... a little overboard but I find the humor in it!
 

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That would be very impractical. 30/06 has high recoil and the amount of ammo a soldier can carry for it is limited. What the army needs to do is to adopt the 6.8 remington SPC, bigger then 5.56 but smaller then 7.62x39.
I do agree!!! forgot about that round. VERY GOOD CHOICE.
 

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Thanks for the input everyone.
I bought some 154 grain soft points and 122 grain hollow points. I already have the FMJ's. I'm set for all situations. :)
 

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The 7.62x39 import ammo is far from being a decent hollowpoint. It was
made to get around a ban on ammo import that was not for "sporting
purposes". It's just FMJ ammo with a hole knocked in the tip, and the
words "hunting ammunition" printed on the box! There is no jacket thinning,
internal grooves, none of the things that ammo makers do to make a decent
expanding bullet. I've sectioned Wolf FMJ, Hollowpoint and Copper jacketed,
none are anything special.

If you want to go hunting with your SKS/AK or whatever, buy a box of good
hunting ammo made by a US manufacturer or one of the premium foreign
ammo suppliers.
 

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Yes, that is true. However, HP's do tend to be more accurate. Specifically the Wolf HP's vs. the Wolf FMJ.

Also, this HP design could lend some of the same characteristics to the bullet that are used with OTM bullets...
 

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A good stop requires a soft tip or a hollow point. My friend came back from Iraq and said he would have given any price for some soft points if he woud not get in trouble for it. He shot one guy coming at him, and shooting, from 90 Metters closing to 20 meeters. My friend thought he was missing the target. A head shot stopped him at 20 yards. On examination of the bad guy all other 18 rounds hit chest area. FMJ's are not good stoppers!:confused:
Part of that problem could be the 5.56mm round. Read the book black hawk down, that battle was riddled with instances of that.
 

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Part of that problem could be the 5.56mm round. Read the book black hawk down, that battle was riddled with instances of that.
Maybe, maybe not...

There are reports of many of our troops taking several shots from 7.62 rounds as well and still surviving (and even continued to fight).

Not to mention, regardless of how many supposed reports of instances like that in Mogadishu, the fact remains that we killed something like an estimated 50 Somalis for every 1 US Soldier that was killed (and that is with a conservative estimate).

Shot placement is what matters more than any other factor.
 
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