5.56 bolt action?

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by Vincine, Nov 26, 2011.

  1. Vincine

    Vincine New Member

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    I can't seem to find a 5.56 NATO bolt action. I keep being 'offered' .223 rifles instead. This is an email I received from Remington:

    >Thank you for visiting Remington Country! We certainly appreciate you taking the time to write in with your question.

    Any rifle chambered for .223 Remington can not safely fire 5.56 NATO ammunition. The brass, case dimensions, and pressures are too high/large in 5.56 NATO ammunition for .223 Remington chamberings to handle.

    Should you have additional questions, please feel free to contact our Consumer Services Department at 800-243-9700, 9:00 am – 5:00 pm, EST, Monday through Friday. <

    Does anyone know of a 5.56 NATO bolt action?
     
  2. hardluk1

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    Why not buy a savage rifle and have the barrel pulled and the chamber recut for a .223 wydle chamber?? That will feed the 5.56 fine and the rifle should no problems with the pressure spike of shooting the nato round in a standard .223 chamber. or 5.56 chamber It just the lead and jump that cause the pressure spike. Company CS guys typicaly don't know poop about there products any how.
     

  3. JonM

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    the reason you dont find them is because the 5.56 case doesnt lend itself well to accuracy loading. it wouldnt be a popular seller. anyway you can do as suggested by hardluk and have a 223 reamed out to wylde or 556.
     
  4. fatmidgets

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    Mossberg MVP. New gun, it came out recently. 24" barrel, bolt action, mossbergs advanced trigger system (whatever its called), chambered in 5.56x45mm NATO. Absolutely your gun my friend.
     
  5. HOSSFLY

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    Agree - Dont understand the need but not my bizzness :p
     
  6. therewolf

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    5.56 is just a military round, is all.

    There are very few bolt action rifles in that caliber because it would

    be a retro-design.

    Have you tried an AR with a 20 to 24 inch barrel for accuracy?
     
  7. Vincine

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    The point is flexibility of ammunition, .223 OR 5.56.
    >Tim Blazek told me they went the 5.56 route so that the abundant supply of military surplus ammo could be used in the MVP. <

    I've tried a few AR 15s, they don't quite fit right, although I'm sure I could adjust to it/them.

    The Mossberg MVP is very interesting. Thanks.
     
  8. fatmidgets

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    Your welcome, and your right. God love the mil-surplus!
     
  9. 303tom

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    I shoot 5.56 in my savage .223 all the time............
     
  10. 303tom

    303tom Well-Known Member

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    Tell me where the difference is......223 on the left, 5.56 on the right.
     

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  11. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i had to go to the Mossberg website and check that out. very interesting. price isn't bad either. if anyone has gotten one or shot one i would be interested in their input on this rifle.
     
  12. Vincine

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    Well, besides the differences on the diagram in the throat radii, the NATO cartridges have thicker walls for higher durability, which means less space inside for the powder, which results in higher pressure.
     
  13. tCan

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    The case thickness is the same.

    link: .223 Remington - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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  14. Vincine

    Vincine New Member

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    Why you, you . . . MYTHBUSTER!

    All my illusions are shattered! Or at least the one about .223/5.56 casing wall thicknesses.
    At least if one can trust Wikpedia anyways.

    Thanks for the link. That is . . interesting. I know many do shoot 5.56 in .223 rifles. Have any of you who do, ever have damage from it?
     
  15. tCan

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    Yup. The information I linked you on wiki was sourced from here: 223 Rem + 223 AI Cartridge Guide

    Looking at the article, it seems that some but not all NATO brass is thicker with smaller capacity.
     
  16. JonM

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    Just fyi wikipedia is not a reputable source. When using wiki for info you need a second or third source to confirm. Wiki is a user editable webpage which means anyone can become a "wiki contributor" and print "facts"
     
  17. tCan

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    The information I linked was sourced...
     
  18. hardluk1

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    303tom If you did not read about the difference by looking it up you will never understand the difference.

    Vincine I have seen several of Rock River Arms varment rifles with just a trigger change to 3lb shoot factory loads of .223 fed match under 3/4 and home brewed loads under 3/8" at 100 yards. Amassing accurate rilfes. They had RRA wilson arms air guaged 24" barrels. Both had a added adjustable cheek welds added.
     
  19. PatrickHarrison

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    O that is epic bull**** they are both the damn same, ones military one civilain!! I shoot a ar-15 with .223 and 5.56x45 and by God theres not a diffirence in function! O plus my ishapore smle 2A 7.62 eats .308 to along with 7.62x51. Ha that email makes me dislike remington even more.

    If ur lookin for a bolt action .223 theres mossberg mvp series excepts ar-15 magazines real good lookin gun havent seen a price tag yet tho