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Discussion in 'Semi-Auto Handguns' started by ctshooter, Dec 8, 2012.
So I wanted to get some opinions on 45 acp carry ammo. What do you consider good ammo and why?
One of my students carries Hornady's 185 gr. Critical Defense and loves it. I have and carry either that or Winchester's 230 gr. Bonded PDX1. I don't feel one can go wrong with either one of these. There are other fine rounds out there; Speer, CorBon, etc., get some and try them...I know they are expensive but once you settle on a carry round, you will appreciate the experience.
Gold dots or Winchester SXT (PDX-1 or whatever they are calling their bullet this year).
Critical Defense for in the home, Gold Dots for the street. I use this in all my handguns. I prefer Gold Dots for the street bc they are more likely to go clean through auto body steel and glass. I'm not expert, but the guys who I train with are SWAT/MIL and they told me this.
Federal HydraShok 185gr
I don't have any shooting experience with this new critical Defense by Hornady, but I believe it to be a bunch of malarky with that little insert. I plan on testing it once weather permits, but that will be a while.
Hornady Critical Defense FTX JHP 185 Grain for the home and the street 1911love is correct. I used to train our SWAT and used the Gold Dot exclusively for the penetration power of the round. Since being out of the business, I use what was our second choice now which, is the Critical Defense, simply because I don't want that penetration power without a badge to back me up. I'm not saying that you are more or less liable carrying either one, it's just my preference. Iv'e seen both shot into gelatin and I believe in the Critical Defense after seeing their characteristics. Bear in mind that I saw these tests in 2008 just prior to retiring and we all know things change constantly.
Winchester Ranger xt+p 230 grain. Great round that won't break the bank if you want to shoot it occasionally, and if you are going to carry a 45 why do so with a round as light as a 40? Makes no sense to me.
That's because it is a bonded bullet and that prevents jacket separation. Jacket separation is the #1 cause of bullet failure. At the moment I carry 230 grain pdx1. Mainly because I could not find any gold dots. How ever I am going to go with the 220 grain +p critical duty that just came out in November. It is said to be the best out there as far as FBI standards. And as far as I know the only round to defeat all FBI test barriers and still maintain the 12"-16" of penetration. Currently the FBI uses the Winchester pdx1. They can not change ammo do to there contract with Winchester. But I have heard they may go with the critical duty after the contract is up. Not to be confused with critical defense. The C duty and C defense are 2 different rounds.
I did not thank much of it when it first came out either. But after a lot of research I changed my mind. I will get the links together and post them for review.
The C defiance and C duty have a lot of similarities. But are very different. At first sight they look the same. Both use the same bullet both use nickel plated brass. The only visual difference is the duty has a H stamped in the red tip.
The tip dose a few things for both rounds.
#1 it keeps the cavity from getting clogged causing it not to expand.
#2 aids in bullet expansion. (As log as the cavity dose not clog the round will expand anyway.)
#3 (this is a little iffy to me. I have not researched this but I have ben told by many different people.) it prevents premature expansion. Which so I'm told can be caused by shooting a target with heavy clothing. Causing the round to start to expand before entering the body. Thus slowing the round down. Which may cause under penetration. (Like I said I dont know about that. But I have heard it more than once.)
The bullet is not bounded. This is because bonding has its good and its bad sides. The bad is when the round impacts a barrier such as a car windshield it gets badly deformed. (This is the part of FBI testing most rounds fail). Causing the bullet to lose velocity very quickly resulting in under penetration. This is because the round dose not sheds the damaged material instead it tries to hold its self together causing resistance. The C duty and C defiance is not bounded but instead has a large inter locking band which causes the round not to have jacket separation just as good as bonding. But because it is not bonded it can shed that damaged material allowing it to maintain most of its velocity.
Other than the casing and primer this is ware the similarities end. The C defiance charged with low flash, low recoil powders making it ideal for shorter barrels. Example 3.5" and under. The C duty has a higher charge, and low flash powders. This makes it better for longer barrels such as 4" and up. The duty is said to be more for Leo use for this reason most people don't carry a full size gun everyday. The problem with using the C duty in a short barrel is the added recoil.
Well added muzzle flip rather than recoil.
Giving this one a bump.
Why? It's not like it's been lying dormant for a long time in dire need of resolution.
What round for SD?
Start with one that functions reliably in your gun. Everything else is secondary.
People can split all the hairs they want, but it's quite likely that any of the standard SD rounds available will do the job just fine. "Oooo look, an extra 1/4" of gel penetration, way cool. Pretty expansion petals too. Gosh."
Uber tactical guy's Ultra Gnarly Nitro Operator Turbo SRT/STi +P+ isn't probably all that much more effective than a humble box of Winchester Ranger when it comes to actual use.
I maintain that a bad person center punched with a modern self defense round will be unhappy. The degree (& duration) of that unhappiness will be more dependent on the marksmanship that delivered it than subtle nuances of bullet design or differences if 40 or 50 FPS. YMMV.
I just ordered some Winchester Ranger T 230gr +p. Heard awesome reviews on this and Federal HST
How do you figure?
Well, maybe your bump.
My response was on topic. .45 carry ammo opinions...correct?
Yea I was talking about the bump.
If you find a "bump" you should go to your doctor for biopsy.
Insert the sound of cheese here. Wa-wa! Lol
Speer Gold Dot, Glazer Safety Slugs,RBCD, Corbon XDP, or Winchester PDX1 would be perfect. Ive carried quite them and shot pigs with them and they are "champione". Best way to see what they do to people is to go out and shoot hogs.
I hear alot about the winchester pdx1. That's not the same as the ranger t is it? I mean from what i see online don't you get a lot more expansion with the rangers. And at a cheaper price. 35 for a box of 50. Not lookin for an argument guys just lookin for some info.