455 webley fosbery sales

Put it up on Gunbroker, no reserve, starting at a Penny, and you will get FMV. I have sold numerous collector guns that way. One of my buds woould bid that one to the heavens...hell I'd run $5K on it just to start

 

Kim, Your weapon is rare and to be cased makes it even more desirable if its original to the weapon. Their are a few differant versions of that and they all sell quite differently according to condition and version. As you have found out, there isnt much info about them out there, you have to really look hard to find anything but the standard info.

Dont clean it, take it apart, allow anyone who isnt an expert to touch it or try to fire it without a real smith checking it out first. The 455 had less than 4000 ever produced, the more you find out about yours, the more it will be worth to the next owner.

The person you need to contact is Richard Milner in the UK, he has all of the available Webley archives and can give you any info available for a reasonable cost to include copies of the original entries in Webley's register for your piece. He's a really great guy and has a wonderful collection of WF's himself (even though he's not allowed to shoot them anymore thanks to the queen!).

enquiries@armsresearch.co.uk

The Nickel 38 C3 was talking about was mine before it sold for 17K+ May 2nd. I sold it through Cowans in Ohio and it was worth every dime they earned as a commission. Christies is another place worth looking at. Had I sold it to a dealer, It would have gone 4-6K. Funny thing is my piece was also missing the safety, lefty fire issue with that unit, My dad removed it and lost it back in the 50's. !

Dont be in a hurry, you only get one chance to sell it! It took 5 months to sell mine but it was well worth the wait.

Good luck!

 

Hello C3, glad to be invited in! I did a little intro and I will post a bit about the 38 in the Revolver section for those interested in it!

 

I agree C3, every scrap of info is a few more shillings, according to exactly who, it could be many pounds. The worth of the weapon is really going to be based on a number of physical factors as well as the prov. Only a true aficionado with a pedigree or an auction will be able to put the real value on it.

I would almost bet that if it is in good working order and it hasn't been modified or refinished, your not looking at less than $6k, they just don't sell any less than that if they are given the correct audience to volley for it. If its in excellent condition and has some rarer characteristics like being a Bisley Target Shooters Weapon or Nickel Plated, it could go very much more than that.

By all means, take some pictures of it and get them up on the site here, I would love to see them and its bound to get you some commentary if not interest!

 

Hi, I'm new to this forum, and found it whilst googling Webley Fosbery. I'm looking for one of these. Would love to see photos!

 

Wow, very nice, looks like you have a target pistol in very original condition with a custom shooters case. The serial number puts it later into production and was likely always a ,455. Even has the front sight blade protector. While its not in new condition, the original Blue is worn and it is missing the safety, it is a very desirable piece. My guess is that the original owner CAC is not impossible to track either, this was no novice weapon, it was a skilled shooter.

You really need to contact Webley Scott Archives and get the rest of the Provenance from them. My guess is that this one has a history deeper than just the original sale. Richard can pull all the repair docs and such and see if a name is associated with it. That could add significant value to it.

I would be very wary about doing any direct sale on this one because it really has the possibility of a very large purse attached with the sale unless your in a big hurry, put it in the hands of an expert. Otherwise you would likely not get what its worth without the exposure to a wide range of possible buyers.

Im not a Antique Weapon expert but I would imagine this one will sell well over $8K and maybe closer to $20K if its fully functional, given the proper exposure and the Shooter who originally owner it is discovered.

Thanks for the pictures, good luck with the hunt!

 

Kim, I do know a thing or two about powder actuated weapons but antiquities are a whole different world. Im very glad I could help, having been there and done that just recently I realized you may appreciate some insight that I had only recently gained about owning something as valuable as this without having any clue what to do with it!

I love the internet! Richard actually contacted me first on another Gun Board after he heard I had the piece. Otherwise I may have made a big mistake and taken it to a local Gun Shop trying to sell it. That would have been a huge error and loss.

One of the things I found out was the Webley Fosbery was one of the preferred pistols for champion level target shooters. Yours was no doubt one of those pieces, I would almost bet it spent lots of time in Bisley and was likely owned by a shooter with a big name, that was an expensive unit the day it was made. That case was not standard issue with the weapon, standard was an oak box not a leather bound case. Your piece also has an adjustable front sight/ blade (I think under the shield), that was also a more rare feature and found on very few WF's except the few target pistols they produced. The transfer dates to Carlton Jones in 1945 are most certainly tied to WW2, a story all of its own and you have the proof, his service number is also listed as well as his branch information, all that could lead you to some interesting and valuable info if you do a little investigating. If I read the thing correct, he paid 10 pounds for the piece, about $15.00 USD, thats a deal but back then the WF had been panned by the military as a has-been that never was!

Richard wont steer you wrong, he's a true gentleman and the owner of a bunch of these pistols. The few dollars you invest to get the info will come back to you 10 fold.

Dont get anxious with this thing, you wont get the real money from a private sale unless you have rock solid trustworthy connections in the field. Very few people around the world can actually afford to own one of these but if they find out its out there, they will do whatever they can to get it!

Great luck with it and do let us know what you found out, I think the big story is more than either of us know right now and the story could be worth as much as the gun.

 

I actually joined this forum because of this gun, having done a Google search on Webley Fosbery. Great gun, great story!

 

I love the internet, the things you can find out in a week would have taken a year ten years ago! It just goes to prove, its all out there if you just know where to look for it!

I just PMed Kim, I think I may have found C. A. C.,
Major Cecil Aylmer Cameron CBE DSO (17 September 1883–19 August 1924) was a British Army officer and spymaster and also a central figure of a notable fraud trial of 1911. The son of Colonel Aylmer Cameron VC, he was educated at Eastman's Academy, Bath College, and the Royal Military Academy, Woolwich, The only graduate of Woolwich with those initials. If this can be verified, thats provenance!!! Kim, My finders fee is a very reasonable pint of Gentleman Jack! Ha, ha.