.45 LC Loads

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by 2gun, Apr 27, 2008.

  1. 2gun

    2gun New Member

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    I made the big purchase of a .45 LC Scofield.I'm not doing well with the realoading. I'm using IMR 4227 22gr .235 Hard case bullet;and all the powder isn't burning. The residue powder is getting between the cylender and foweling the cylender from rolling as smooth as it should. Open to any and all suggestions.
     
  2. blackhawk45

    blackhawk45 New Member

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    Try 9.0 grs. of Hodgens HS-6. and Mag Primers,with a Heavy roll crimp.and 250gr. LRNFP bullets. this is a light,and accurate load I use in my Ruger Blackhawk,and my Cimarron Thunderer.
     

  3. 2gun

    2gun New Member

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    I'll try it. Is that still a leathel load to carry when hunting? For that good close shot?
     
  4. bogey

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    .45

    Not reloading now but are you sure it is a .....45LC? Seems to me there were some Schofields that were chamber for a shorter, less powrful round.
     
  5. 2gun

    2gun New Member

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    If it were a real Sofield it would shoot a regular Colt .45 and the action shooters have developed a cartridge called " The .45 Scofield" This is a reproduction by Uberti
     
  6. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    4227 can be a difficult powder to set off in a revolver case. You might consider switching to a magnum primer (work up a new load). Make sure you have a firm roll crimp on the case. Insufficient crimp can lead to incomplete ignition and the described powder residue. I have played with 4227 in .41 mag and .44 spl/mag but was not completely satisfied with the results. You might try 2400 or blue dot.
     
  7. bogey

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    .45 lc

    Hell, don't want an arguement but there were original Scolfields chamber for a .45 round shorter than long colt way before action shooting; the Gov issued both rounds because the Scofield would work in the Lc but not vice-versa; realize this one is a Uberti not an original S&W but didn't know that at first.
     
  8. seedy

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    I think you have a scofield replica made by Uberti that chambers the .45 colt. H4227 at 20grs with a 455 gr lead bullet is a pretty standardload for the .45 colt. I wouldn't push a breaktop revolver with heavy loads and would stick to using faster powders than 4227. 7.5 grs of W231 or 6.5 grs of Red dot should serve you better with velocity up to 850fps. H4227 will spike in pressure if you overload it so you should be careful.
     
  9. h2oking

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    4227 in my opinion never was a good powder for a revolver because it will always cause the problem you are having. My experience with it is that it works much better in a Thompson Contender or bolt action pistol (closed chamber)than a revolver. I would suggest you go to 8 or 9 grains of Unique and a 250 to 260 grain bullet. That will make for a load of around 900 fps and it will not hurt your gun.
     
  10. stalkingbear

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    4227?

    The other posters are 100% correct. While the reproduction you have is of good quality the design itself is not strong enough to stedily digest heavy hunting loads. I do like the schoffield design as a plinking gun. 4227 is entirely too slow of a powder to use in any loads except heavy hunting type loads,and then MY "go to" powder is H110. I would by all means reccomend unique,AA#5,or some other faster burning powder. If you're looking to hunt with a revolver,I would STRONGLY reccomend buying a ruger blackhawk to feed the heavy hunting loads thru as the rugers are among the strongest revolvers on the market.
     
  11. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    The original Scofields fired .45 S&W which was a bit shorter than the .45 Colt. The modern Scofield replicas are chambered for .45 Colt. Even with modern materials the break top action of the Scofield is not as strong as a solid frame/swing out revolver. I would not EVER fire heavy loads through a top break revolver.

    4227 is a decent choice for MAGNUM revolver loads but to get anywhere near 100% powder burn you MUST use a magnum primer and a heavy crimp to let the pressures build enough to burn off the powder. I have given up on 4227 in revolvers. It works OK in .30 Carbine loads and light loads for my .45-70 (with dacron filler). I was never happy with the residue and unburned powder when using 4227 in the .41 or .44 magnums.

    For the Scofield I would look at a faster powder like 231. Keep the pressures down and enjoy the Scofield clone. If you want a revolver for heavy hunting loads go with the Blackhawk from Ruger.
     
  12. 30-30remchester

    30-30remchester New Member

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    just a little bit of nit picking here. there is no such round as a 45 long colt! the cartridge you are talking about is a 45 colt. look at your caliber designation on your firearm and then look at your cartridge headstamp and then a box of ammo. you will find only 45 colt. that being said there are rumors out there that are new products out there that is reputed to say 45 long colt on them. i havent seen on if you have one or a box or a firearm that states " 45 long colt" message me please with the particulars. thank you
     
  13. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Very true. There is no such thing as a .45 LC. It is simply the .45 Colt. BUT, with the .45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol) floating around, some folks can get confused. Many, if not most folks refer to the revolver round as the Long Colt to avoid confusion.
    Nicknames and misnomers abound in the gun world. I have never seen an M-16 cambered in .223 but many people refer to them by that caliber. Is an M-14 a .308? Why is a .22 LR when fired through a pistol still called a "long rifle"?
    I personally do not get too excited about "long" being used with the Colt, but to each his own.
     
  14. Txhillbilly

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    I have been using Titegroup for quite awhile and have had very good results from it for all my 45LC loads-light or full power.
     
  15. 30-30remchester

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    the gun world has LOTS of misnomers.the m-16 isnt chambered for the 223 cartridge it is chambered for the 5.56 nato and the are so close in dimension they can be interchanged however the 5.56 is loaded to much higher preasures. other misnomers? 44-40 actually 44wcf, 38-40 actually 38wcf, 30-30 actually 30 wcf, 30-06 actually 30 springfield 1906 or 30 government 1906 just to name a few. just some fun facts
     
  16. seedy

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    22 grns of 4227 is too hot for a break top revolver. 20 grns with a 255 gr semi wadcutter was a popular load for regular modern sixguns that the pressure was safe and would achieve 1000 fps. I bought a pound of it and that load was accurate and achieved the 1000fps in my 7.5'' ruger blackhawk. I would love to have a schofield like yours but would use 6 grs of reddot or 7 grs of 231 and have lots of fun with it. CD