.45 ACP questions? HEELLLLPPPP!

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by fmj, Oct 31, 2011.

  1. fmj

    fmj New Member

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    OK rolled up my first .45 acp rounds the other night. Did 25 total

    They are not wanting to work. They dont want to feed up from the magazine. When they do feed the action isnt locking up.

    Factory Winchester 230 gr JHP are ranging from 1.169 " to 1.207" and feed fine.

    Factory 230 gr FMJ are running 1.266" and feed fine.

    My 230 gr JHP are running 1.25" and do NOT feed fine!!

    My Lyman 48 calls for a OAL of 1.243" on 225 gr JHP and a 1.275" on 230 gr TMJ.

    Lee specs that came with my dies call for a Min. OAL of 1.190 on 230 gr. bullets.

    Alliant data calls for a Min. OAL of 1.2

    Where do i go from here? What advice can be given to me to help remedy my issue?
     
  2. linuxuser3890

    linuxuser3890 New Member

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    What gun? What projectiles? My loads feed in my 1911 but if you chamber a round more than a few times it seats it shorter but, that is bc the 1911 was never meant for hollow points and the feed ramp reflects that.

    My loads:
    185g sierra JHP 1.235"
    200g XTP 1.235"
    BOTH cycle well they just beat up the top round in the mag.

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  3. PanBaccha

    PanBaccha New Member

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    My S&W 457 fires 45ACP without a hitch;
    both JHP & FMJ's. What firearm are you using?
     
  4. dunerunner

    dunerunner New Member

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    My factory loaded Speer Lawman 230 gr. FMJ are 1.270"

    My reloaded Speer 230 gr. JHP are 1.215"

    both feed fine in my Colt 1991A1.

    From what you specified I would seat the JHP to 1.215" in an unprimed unloaded casing, still above the factory Winchester JHP's that feed fine and try one. If it doesn't feed, keep adjusting the seating depth until it does and use that as your standard.

    I'm new at this but that is how I would work this issue. I will repeat that you should seat a bullet in an unprimed, unloaded casing and test feed.
     
  5. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    did you measure your empty case oal?? if a case is too long it wont chamber.
     
  6. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    Are you sure of your crimp? If your gun won't go into battery it could be an out of spec crimp. Try disasembling your gun. Take a round that is not leting the gun go into battery. See if it will drop into the barrel freely. I use a case gauge to check my finished rounds.
     
  7. RMP1394-RLTW

    RMP1394-RLTW New Member

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    Had the same problem when I started rolling .45 for my RO. Not sure if you have a match barrel or not but it is obviously a tighter chamber. Your Lyman manual should have a dimension for the crimp, double check it. Mine was just barely out of spec and it would not consistently chamber.

    RLTW!
     
  8. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    What type of crimp die are you using and how much?

    Also, how much are you flaring the case mouth?
     
  9. wooleybooger

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    you said the JHPs wont go "up" from the mag. remember that a JHP has a chopped off nose and if seated a bit long will not have time to settle into place on the ride up and into the barrel. that flat nose is looking for anything to grab. shorten the OAL a bit and watch the case flare
     
  10. armsmaster270

    armsmaster270 New Member

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    Winchester JHP's have a rounder profile if you can't fix try them.
     
  11. fmj

    fmj New Member

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    The gun is a SA 1911. The projectile is a bulk 230 gr JHP.

    The reason they dont want to "feed up" from the mag. is they are getting stuck in the mag. When they do come up from the mag. the chamber, but the gun just doesnt lock into battery.

    Type of crimp die is just the Lee die. How much i am not sure...its a good crimp. I am flaring the case mouth just enough to get the bullet to start.

    Today after i get everything done i need to i will go down and double check case lengths. I will also tear down the gun and drop a couple in the chamber.

    Stay tuned.
     
  12. linuxuser3890

    linuxuser3890 New Member

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    Try using the barrel and pushing one of the loads that the bullet is really clean looking into the chamber all the way and twist it. Pull it back out and look at the bullet along where the ogive starts and see if there are any scratches on it.

    If there are take and seat a bullet into an unprimed case a little deeper. You may have to play with this a little while to get the bullet to be set off the lands but it will happen. Just make sure that while u do this not to use any crimp. Do this by un-screwing the die til it leaves no crimp then adjust the seating plug.

    If it doesn't leave a mark or they are faint check the case length.

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  13. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    Dont get discouraged. Its a learning thing. I been loading ammo since 1988 and i still learn things every session
     
  14. fmj

    fmj New Member

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    OHHH I wont get discouraged. I knew there would be hang ups along the way as i muddled my way thru.

    This is why i started with .357. I figured a revolver round would be about idiot proof. Cranked out and shot up 500 or more rounds. (went thru 3 different types of bullets and 2 different types/brand of powder) Figured out a recipe my 686 likes and I shoot well, and got comfortable with.

    Then i started working on 44 mag for the carbine...well that one was kind of a must do, considering the cost. Not only myself, but my youngest and my wife LOVE shooting that gun.

    They have now found the love of the 1911.......so in the interest of staying out of bankruptcy i figured i better figure out the .45 acp round. :eek:;)

    I had intended by this point in the game to be cranking out .35 Rem and 30-06...but i am working my way up to that.

    But this is why i joined here. Where i am quite confident in my marksmanship, my teaching skills, my knowledge of laws and my overall well rounded knowledge of an assortment of firearms....i am a novice to loading.


    I just ask all y'all bear with me and my seemingly silly questions.
     
    Last edited: Nov 1, 2011
  15. fmj

    fmj New Member

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    Alrighty then, Tore down the 1911 and gave it a much needed douching. Dropped my problematic reloads into the barrel and they arent dropping all the way in. So i am guessing they are seated too long and just need to be seated deeper :confused: I dont want to experiment with deep seating depth....even tho the Lee specs say i have room to go deeper.

    Took a sampling of the brass i have polished and ready for loading and they are running from 0.885 to 0.890. The Lyman calls for a trim to length of 0.888.

    Tonight i will try to get down and throw out some unprimed, non powdered rounds and work on seating depth/crimp and try running them thru
     
  16. linuxuser3890

    linuxuser3890 New Member

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    It's not a silly question that u asked. I had a similar problem when I started doing 9mm. I had all sorts of feeding issues and went through a lot of those dummy rounds that I and some others have mentioned. I just decided to invest in a bullet puller.

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  17. fmj

    fmj New Member

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    LMAO!!! The bullet puller was on the original list of equipment i bought. Tumbler, polish, media, powder measure, scale, bullet puller.

    Picked the turret press up, set up with .357 carbide dies for $20...a friend found it in an abandoned trailer he was tearing down and asked what it was worth to me, so i said $20. :D
     
  18. fmj

    fmj New Member

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    OK, experimenting with "dummy" cartridges. I lightened up on the crimp a good bit. So, using these dummy loads seated to 1.235 i allowed the slide on my 1911 to just slam shut. I then measured the OAL and it was 1.208 and the next cartridge it was 1.205.

    Should i just set my seat to 1.2" and tighten the crimp a touch and call it a load?

    Again, my lyman calls for 1.275" OAL for 230 tmj and a 1.243" on 225 JHP.

    Lee specs are 1.190" for 230 gr jacketed and Alliant calls for a 1.2" on a 230 gr JHP.

    I am using bulk 230 gr JHP. in SA 1911.
     
  19. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    the 45acp spaces off the case mouth. well all rimless cartridges do. get one of the dillon case gages for the 45acp they arent pricey and will let you sort and trim to length. but dont over crimp it will cause other issues. the max empty case length listed is just that the max you can be a little under but go over and the action wont close

    i measure the sized mouth, but not yet expanded, of the cartridge im going to set the crimp by then expand it out load it seat bullet then crimp to equal or .010 less than the original size. going over .010 crimp on a bullet without cannelure is bad mojo.

    over crimping doesnt hold the bullet tighter it actually loosens the bullet in the case and cause it to come out on chambering and lodge in the lands. found that out when i ejected a unfired round and powder poured everywhere...

    the case actually holds the bullet with all the needed force, the crimp just removes the belling operation on rimless cannalureless bullets. recently corbon recalled a lot of over crimped ammo that was causing severe looseness. i had a box of it in 380acp.
     
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  20. fmj

    fmj New Member

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    I do have the case gage. will dig it out and check all my cases and trim to length if needs be. But used the mic. to check case length. They were .888 or within spec. according to my Lyman.

    Will check on crimp depth or however terminology you would use.

    As it is, the crimp where i have it set (not on the dummy loads) is just barely indenting the bullet.