44mag or .223 for bear emergency

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  1. madison_22

    madison_22 New Member

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    I am hunting. Small game with my .223 when a grizzly threatens me. Do I use my .223, my 44 S&W, or my pepper spray? [Please answer only if you have actual bear or hog experience with .223, 44mag, or pepper. Üninformed opinions and guesses do no help me!]
     
  2. JohnJak

    JohnJak New Member

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    44 mag is my caliber.
     

  3. towboater

    towboater Active Member

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    I can't help ya, because I use a 458 when I bear hunt.
     
  4. dnthmn2004

    dnthmn2004 New Member

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    Unless your .223 is full auto, I'd swap to the 44 mag. Bear spray is useless - except to season pizza.
     
  5. Lindenwood

    Lindenwood New Member

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    I read an article once that said statistically one is more likely to survive an encounter after using bear spray than after using a weapon.

    Unless the .223 is an a high-cap AR and / or you are an amazing shot who can place that little 55gr bullet in just the right spot to drop him (eye? snout? I dunno) while he's charging, I'd draw the .44. But, if you've got 15 rounds left in an AR and don't have the time to transition to your .44, I wouldn't hesitate to put half a dozen rounds into its face!
     
  6. hbomb

    hbomb New Member

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    bear spray, .44 backup. .223 is like a mosquito to bears and crackheads.
     
  7. jjfuller1

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    well i dont have exprience but i was thinking along those same lines. if im walking with my rifle at the ready and get charged the time it would take me to lower my rifle draw and shoot my pistol. id rather just bring up my rifle and pop off 20 rounds before the impact
     
  8. Rex in OTZ

    Rex in OTZ Well-Known Member

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    bears and going home in one piece

    depends on what your doing, in many cases in Alaska you have to file a defence of life and property form when a bear encounter happens and if one is killed you actions will be reviewd by the State Fish and Game cops and if your found to be running a dirty camp or spoiling for a encounter you may get a citation.
    Pack somthing big and be familure in its use, .44mag 300gr at least.
    so Far Ive been doing Maintence in a area of NW Arctic for last 7 years and we have all 3 Blacks, Browns and Polar, have had couple run ins with bears one Black and one Brown, if you can avoid a bear thats best, the Pepper Spray works great if you nail them in the face & eyes, after discharging leave the area immediately, Bear Spray is a Bear attractant to other bears.
     
  9. JonM

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    ive read news article about at least one eskimo using a M16 to kill a polar bear but he used a full 30round mag on full auto...
     
  10. Rex in OTZ

    Rex in OTZ Well-Known Member

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    bears and going home in one piece

    Have you ever heard the old saying 'Going Out Loaded For Bear' I guess a .223 Rem isnt much of a gun on bears if there dander is up, a few years back down by Bethel AK they had a younger Brown Bear attack a group of Govt workers I cant recall what they were doing exactly but anyway the bear charged 5 workers and a total of 12 rounds of 12ga Sabot were fired, with 9 hits the last round being a heart shot, they latter on found that the hourglass shaped 12ga winchester slugs had sprued under the skin and outer musle layers and one flattened on the shoulder of this young Grizz. since then from what I hear the Govt has stopped useing sabot and Forrester type slugs they now issue only a a solid rifled slug
    As we found its easyer to train people to use a slug gun than a hand gun as they sight radius is longer and you have more probibility of a hit than with a hand gun.
    http://www.brennekeusa.com/cms/file..._enforcement/user_upload/Dokumente/THD_LE.pdf
    Hunting gallery: Reader-submitted alaska.com | Alaska news at adn.com
    Hunting gallery: Reader-submitted alaska.com | Alaska news at adn.com
    Hunting gallery: Reader-submitted alaska.com | Alaska news at adn.com
    Hunting gallery: Reader-submitted alaska.com | Alaska news at adn.com
    Hunting gallery: Reader-submitted alaska.com | Alaska news at adn.com
    Hunter in critical condition after mauling: Bear Attacks | Alaska news at adn.com
    http://www.adn.com/bearattacks/
    If you feel you could adiquately protect your self from thes animals with a .223 thats fine we can always go look for your body parts latter.
     
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  11. spittinfire

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    I wouldn't count on 223 for any type of bear. 44 mag is a much better option but I still wouldn't count on that if we're talking brown bear. A grizz is a tough animal and I would use a 44 mag as a minimum. I would prefer a lever gun in 45-70 or a similar caliber. They are light, easy to carry, point well and follow up shots are quick.....how do you lose?
     
  12. Ploofy

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    .44, especially if it has hollow points. I'd recommend a 300 Ultra Mag, though.
     
  13. Rex in OTZ

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    reality bites....somtimes really hard useing its sharp claws

    The reality of shooting bears is when you shoot one static in a unexcited state most anything will do when placed correctly, BUT when you introduce adrineline to ther system (Surprise surprise surprise!) you have the incredible hulk on your hands and a hollow point is not going to sail through the bear flesh as it did when calm it went from mild Iowa corn fed angus beef consistancy to gristle and sandbags roveing bunker on legs looking to take you out reguardless of ther own survival in the time it takes that hormone to hit the bloodstream, The world over they have proven you need solids to get one in the boiler plant, the hollow point is going to open to soon and dump its energy well short of the vitals area.
    use a very big projectile and bore a very big hole useing the mass the slug to tear and bash thats the only way (over kill to do the job safely)
    I recomend reading this book its pretty informative and entertaining as well.
    Frank dealt with bears during the 1910's and 1920's during the height of the market hunting days (road commission meat hunter)and his experences shooting bears... for a living.
    Amazon.com: Alaska's Wolf Man: The 1915-55 Wilderness Adventures of Frank Glaser (9781575100470): Jim Rearden: Books
     

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  14. mrm14

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    Dump the .223 and .44 Mag. for this critter and get a .12 guage slug gun.
     
  15. Rex in OTZ

    Rex in OTZ Well-Known Member

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    Meat quality

    Have you ever noticed the quality of meat once the trigger has been pulled?

    while admrable a running shot is not ideal from a meat stand point, the animal is excited and the adrinalin has hit the blood which boosts musle power in a fight or flight circumstance but makes the meat very very tough.

    Why do you think meatprocessing plants use a stunner gun on critters and bleed em out instead??

    I guess that goes for Bears and other critters like Moose you get them all riled up it makes them harder ta kill and tougher ta chew.

    Like I said earler when hunting and you shoot your bear all relaxd you have a very good chance of a 1 shot kill (within reason) take that same bear and put him on a willow patch next to his kill and you come waltzing along the game trail (most likely a bear path)with your 454casull mag strapped ta your belt that riled bear has the edge I give ya a 1 in 6 chance of you crawling away, Bears in willows is a very bad place to be, its there terf and a 3" willow isnt more a hindernce to a bear than brome grass to a school girl, With Bears its good to live and breathe avoidance as much as possible, You can find trouble where ever you live wither in South Side Chicago, North Side Omaha, the same goes for the wilds as well, this crazy talk of strapping a magnum horse pistol to your belt and walking fearlessly through bear habatat is like like grabbing your 1911 with one mag and walking through the headquarters of the local Crips gang saying your prepaird, if you know the 411 on trouble you can for the most part avoid it and make it home just fine in one piece, carelessness can get ya killed wither the CopperRiver willows the Ice jumble along shore or 10th and L street.
     
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  16. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    Whatever you use, deader bears are better bears.
     
  17. COLT191145

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    44mag definatly, the 223 will just make it mad unless you have time to aim and the pepper will just make him mad also.
     
  18. mrm14

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    Our mother is having some bear problems at our place in Lake Tahoe. Were having a Remington 870 12 guage slug gun radically cut down to fit her small stature. Also were adding a muzzel brake to it for felt recoil reduction for her.
     
  19. Ploofy

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  20. bluegrasstank66

    bluegrasstank66 New Member

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    What about using an ar15 with 5.56 M855 steel core rounds?