.44 pistol, need help

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by BigMarshDawg, Jul 6, 2010.

  1. BigMarshDawg

    BigMarshDawg New Member

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    Hello, gentlemen. I've come here seeking your expert advice. I have nothing at all against guns, but I grew up in a household without them so I have no real knowledge of them at all. I'm writing a novel and I want every scene to be as accurate as possible so I have what might seem like a silly question to ask. I've always considered the .44 to be the coolest and manliest handgun in existence, but, as I said, I really know nothing about them. I need to know what this gun would actually do to a person from a distance of about thirty feet. I need the person to be running away and get shot in the back. Would it likely kill them instantly, go through in the process of blowing half of their organs out, could they live for any given period of time afterward? I need this person to have enough life to try and crawl away (with their arms while their legs dangle motionless behind them) before being flipped over on their back to have their pathetic life strangled out of them with the foot of a boot.

    I know this may be a very off the wall question, but this scene has to be perfect. If the .44 is too powerful for this character's life to be taken less than instantly, what other type of handgun would you suggest? It's based in modern times so my other favorite, the Colt .45, unfortunately, would not be very likely.

    Any input you have is much appreciated.
     
  2. Gojubrian

    Gojubrian New Member

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    Ok, this is weird.

    What would a .44magnum do to a person? Well, that all depends on what type of round you hit them with, how far they are, where you hit them, how big they are,etc....

    Let's say a bad guy is hit center mass at 20ft with a .44magnum hollowpoint from a 7.5" Ruger revolver. He's most likely not going anywhere but down to the ground to be dead right there. There won't be any flipping off his feet like you see in the movies, but it's a powerful cartridge.

    Then again, I've seen a full grown deer dropped with a .22lr at 75yrds. ;)
     

  3. BigMarshDawg

    BigMarshDawg New Member

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    So a 170lb skinny shot at thirty feet would be dead instantly (that's what I figured). How do I keep him alive for about 1 minute after impact? Shoot him in the shoulder?
     
  4. Gojubrian

    Gojubrian New Member

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    Use a .380. :D

    Sure, a movie always has a guy shot in the shoulder that lives.
     
  5. NGIB

    NGIB New Member

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    Everybody knows that a BG shot with a .44 Mag will do 3 back flips and land 27 feet away...:rolleyes:
     
  6. justdon

    justdon New Member

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    Forgive me if iam wrong but you sound like you are planning a murder or assasination.But a .44 round would do someone in instantly.
     
  7. NGIB

    NGIB New Member

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    Doesn't matter the caliber, it still takes a perfect hit to do someone in "instantly"...
     
  8. BigMarshDawg

    BigMarshDawg New Member

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    Thanks for the suggestions, fellas. You all seem like a fine bunch. I'm thinking I may not mention what type of pistol it is, although I wanted to. So to be realistic, I need to leave the three backflips and landing 27 feet away out? I was really looking forward to writing that scene :rolleyes:
     
  9. IGETEVEN

    IGETEVEN New Member

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    Greetings! :)

    I offer two suggestions to help with your discovery and research of firearm knockdown and wound authenticity. Although one may delay your writing some.

    1). Ultimate shot placement will be the key that gives you all the wound damage you mentioned in your post. If you want them crawling away, your placement of round better be lower lumbar region (lower back) spine.

    2). Join the military, be trained to use many powerful small arms and rifles, travel to strange and exotic sh!tholes and get a chance to put your training to use of shot placement effect on someone shooting back at you.

    Nothing beats the hell out of real hands on experience.

    I hope we have been helpful in answering your question. :cool:

    Carry on!

    Jack
     
  10. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    I might suggest if you are writing and a significant plot element involves shooting, go find a range and rent a gun for a couple hours. Many ranges rent a selection of firearms, and .44's are common at them (because of the reasons you have already noted yourself). You'll likely pick up insights into shooting that you can't otherwise; such as what does that recoil really feel like, and how hard is it to actually hit a target.

    Who knows, you might actually pick up a new hobby.

    If you're shooting someone in the back, and you want them to live; I'd guess aim for the lower abdomen, below the diaphram. A .44 hollowpoint would cause profuse bleeding in this area, and the bad guy would bleed out likely in minutes (at least to unconsciousness).

    To kill someone instantly would require a shot to the heart or to the head... at least to be sure. There is some debate as to whether or not the shock of a large caliber round anywhere in the thoracic cavity can actually kill an individual instantly. Google hydrostatic shock for more information.

    Just fyi... don't know what your character's makeup is, but the most common "major" rounds typically carried that might be used on a person would be the .45, the .40, or the 9mm. They are typically preferred over the .44 (except for hunting and backcountry purposes) because of their sufficient stopping power and greater number of rounds in the weapon.
     
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  11. 30-30remchester

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    I study terminal ballistics (the science of impact). I have 2 friends that were accidentally shot with a 44 magnum. Both lived and are still alive. One shot himself through the pelvis and after the initial shock, limped over to the telephone to call for help, then stuck a kitchen towel in the wound to stop the bleeding. All this is to point out that instant death is not ordained simply because he was shot with a 44 magnum. The thing that Gollywood seems to get wrong is the "throw the bad guy through the wall with impact" senerio. A bullet is traveling so fast that it simply pokes a hole in an object. At most they simple collapes on the spot. A single lung shot should give the shot person time to utter some final words of wisdom before he expired. Oh by the way, the other guy I know that was shot with a 44, sat on his when his truck hit a bad bump. The bullet entered his right butt cheek and traveled upward and exited his shoulder. The saving grace for him was it didnt enter his chest cavity. The bullet traveled just under the skin the entire trip. When he showed up for work the next day he took his shirt off and it looked like someone had drawn on him with a wide majic marker. All he said was damn that hurt.
     
  12. sweeper22

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    This is a good point. Unless this is occurring at the shooter's home, it's rare for anyone (in an urban environment at least) lug around a 44mag for practical reasons. But...that's why they call it fiction I guess.

    Hollywood sexiness meets real world practicality? 1911, 45acp.
     
  13. Dillinger

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    When you absolutely, positively, without a doubt, need to kill that sumbitch deader than hell in one round - Reach for the Thompson Contender chambered in .45-70 :eek:
     

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  14. notdku

    notdku Administrator Staff Member

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    You write what you know right? Go shoot one. You'll find the feel of the gun you're after.
     
  15. skullcrusher

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    I write a bit. I have a couple of suggestions:

    First, as notdku said, write what you know about. Don't guess, and getting the info from the webz is a guessing game.

    Second, READ. That means books, manuals, magazines...anything you can get your hands on. A scene is from a movie, not a novel. If you write a novel like you imagine it in a movie, it won't translate. Keep in mind that anyone who reads your book will not picture the actions the same as you wrote them.

    Third, if you are serious about writing a novel, GET OFF THE INTERNET!! It is a waste of time. You should be reading and writing. DON'T WATCH TV OR MOVIES. You should be reading and writing. You wanna convey an experience that you have never had in your book, go experience what you are trying to convey.

    Fourth, people still shoot .45 Long Colt...

    Fifth, I smell troll droppings.
     
  16. BigMarshDawg

    BigMarshDawg New Member

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    Thanks, guys. There's plenty of good advice in here. That TC looks like a badass gun.
     
  17. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    if its a novel you dont need to be THAT accurate just a little literary license. there are instances of people being shot with a .50 BMG and surviving. people have had pieces of rebar go thru their skulls and lived a full life. just have what you want happen to happen. your the author. long as you dont have a colt anaconda revolver useing a 30 round magazine or a SW model 29 using 9mm your prolly good to go.
     
  18. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    Oh good lord please don't do that.
     
  19. BigMarshDawg

    BigMarshDawg New Member

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    I promise I wont.

    Can you imagine shome dude walking around with that shoved down the front of his pants?
     
  20. DrumJunkie

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    Maybe he can say that he's just happy to see you :D Is that a TC in your pants or are you just happy to see me:eek: