.43 Kurz Question

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by Benning Boy, May 13, 2011.

  1. Benning Boy

    Benning Boy New Member

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    We all know how difficult it is to find .43 Luger.

    I'm at MartMart, and they had 2 boxes of .43 Kurz, I picked them up, couldn't pass them up at $52 a box.

    I know it isn't chambered for it, but they fit the mags of my Fratelli 43 Commander model.

    Can I run them through safely?
     
  2. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    The .43 Kurz is an off shoot from the 11.7mm. The case was made shorter to fit the smaller framed pistol (like yours).

    If I remember correctly, they went with the .43 diameter because it outperforms the .40S&W and allows for rounds in a standard magazine than a .45ACP.

    Great find. Do you have a link?
     

  3. Benning Boy

    Benning Boy New Member

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    No link, got them at the store, dust on the boxes.

    I love the .43, moderate recoil, but faster than the .45ACP, only problem is finding .43 Luger HP or FMJ. I have an azzload of frangible, as I guess this was supposed to be an Air Marshall round.

    Any other .43 fans?
     
  4. Troy Michalik

    Troy Michalik Is it Friday yet? Supporter

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    Na, my .41 Swiss Vetterli is still getting the job done.
     
  5. Benning Boy

    Benning Boy New Member

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    You're blessed. But not all of us have $2500 for a pistol.

    How do you feed that? Or do you roll your own?
     
  6. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    .43 Kurtz? In stock? Man, you found the Holy Grail! I haven't seen stock loads for that caliber, ever... LOL

    That's the delayed blowback model right? For reduced recoil through venting, like the internal version of a muzzle break, but without the bulky front end piece and extra noise?

    Pretty slick design for it's day, I wish the company hadn't gone bankrupt. :(

    You want to sell it? :D
     
  7. Benning Boy

    Benning Boy New Member

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    I think you guys misunderstand...

    I have the .43 Luger. I bought the .43 Kurz ammo because I can't find any .43 Luger ammo.

    I want to know if I can safely run the shorter ammo through.

    I don't think the firing pin is gonna reach, though.:(

    2 frikken millimeters.:(
     
  8. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Oooohhhhh. Well the case is shorter but it's shorter up front.

    The rim and primer remain the same, so your firing pin should reach no problem. Just like with 5.56/.223

    There will be an extra 2mm of free head space before the round enters the rifling, but other than that you should be okay.

    Where'd you get the Luger? Must have been brought back from the war as I don't think they, the Germans, ever exported the .43

    The Pawn Stars guys would be sh!tting themselves if you walked in with that to show and tell!!
     
  9. Troy Michalik

    Troy Michalik Is it Friday yet? Supporter

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    Yes I do roll my own, but I'm really having to keep track of the brass.

    And I agree with JD on this one, you should be good to go. But I'd check the brass for signs of over pressure before you put too many down range.
     
  10. Benning Boy

    Benning Boy New Member

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    "The Fratelli 43 Commander is the latest innovation in polymer firearm technology. We chose the .43 ACP as the caliber to bridge the gap between the slower, subsonic .45 ACP, and the popular but questionable .40 caliber.

    Our skilled craftsmen carefully mill Swedish powdered steel blocks into works of art that marry perfectly onto glass/nylon polymer frames.

    With match-grade barrels, titanium internals, and Kydex grips, every Commander is inspected by our QA department twice before it is released for sale.

    Available in .43 Luger Frangible, .43 Makarov, and soon to be released in .43 Odin, the combination of power and capacity will ensure that this will be your "go-to" gun."

    I don't generally buy into this kind of hype, but I sold off most of my other pistols to finance this, and haven't regretted it yet.
     
  11. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    You got a Fratelli?!?!:eek:

    How the hell did you swing that? *drools*

    I am sooooooo coming over to shoot it. Pretty, pretty please!! That thing is supposed to have the best trigger on the market right out of the box.
     
  12. Dzscubie

    Dzscubie New Member

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    Benning,

    Doesn’t’ the Fratelli have the those new nitrogen tubes (like the trijicon tubes in night sights)that are imbedded in the frame to cool the barrel and prevent the minor accuracy deflection that the heat from multiple rounds causes?

    Man, we really need a range report.

    I am soooo jealous

    Scubie
     
  13. Benning Boy

    Benning Boy New Member

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    Trigger is like a glass rod snap, and simultaneously smooth as hell. Don't know how they do it. The dealer sold me a Timney drop in, but I took it back, didn't see the need.
     
  14. Benning Boy

    Benning Boy New Member

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    That was the prototype that was displayed at the SHOT show.

    This has a compartment in the frame that fits a standard CO2 capsule, like air pistols and paintball guns.

    There is a selector switch that gauges CO2 release, marked "Target" and "Sustained". It regulates how much and how fast your capsule discharges. I haven't seen it, but they apparently have a military model, with a third setting for auto fire.

    I have 2 aftermarket 37 round magazines, but since ammo is still scarce, moot point.:(
     
  15. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Does the Fratelli have a straight pull like the 1911? If so, I may be in the market.

    If it has the "Safe Action" trigger, it there any way to convert it?
     
  16. Benning Boy

    Benning Boy New Member

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    Straight pull, about 5.5 lbs., waiting to see if break in lightens that....
     
  17. mesinge2

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    As you know me and Rugers; I found a rare Speed six conversion that was rechambered and rebarrelled for this cartridge. Its reduces it to a 5 shot, but hey!

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  18. CHLChris

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    mesinge2, have you had a chance to chrono your .43 Luger loads out of that Security "Five"?

    I'd love to hear the ballistic characteristics of this load. When I Googled ".40 S&W vs. .43 Luger", THR.com only had ballistics that looked like total crap #'s.

    I'd like to see the real deal!
     
  19. Benning Boy

    Benning Boy New Member

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    That is a sweet looking revolver right there....
     
  20. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Sorry, bro, but you cannot use the Kurz- those headspace off the rim, and you will mess up big time. This is why I went for the .41 Clack & Brosswell. Being a belted case, you can use short or longs, lead or jacketed. But finding the loading dies and the electric primers for those can be a challenge.