.40 v .45

Discussion in 'XD Forum' started by Kage0113, Aug 6, 2009.

  1. Kage0113

    Kage0113 New Member

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    Ok, from what i've heard from everyone else pretty much, the .40 cal xd will have less recoil than a .45 xd. A buddy "informed" me that some guy told him the .40 will have MORE recoil, and is less accurate than the 45. That, to me, makes no sense. I want the .40 xdm, but supposedly it is less accurate than a .45. What do you guys know? Have you shot the 40 xd, 45 xd, and the 40 xdm?
     
  2. Gojubrian

    Gojubrian New Member

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    I had a .40xd subcompact (3in). Very accurate and easy to manage recoil.

    I've shot the xd45 (4in) as well. Very accurate and easy to manage recoil.

    It's just personal preference.

    The only gripe I have about .45 ammo is the price and availiability.
     

  3. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    A .40 will have DIFFERENT recoil. IMHO it has slightly sharper recoil than a .45. Recoil is a product of bullet weight, velocity, powder weight vs gun weight. A heavy, steel framed .45 will recoil less than a light polymer framed .40 simply because the gun has more inertia resisting recoil.

    In reality a 1911 in .40 shooting a 180 grain bullet at 980fps will have the same recoil as a 1911 in .45 shooting a 180 grain bullet at 980 fps (powder charge not withstanding).

    If you really get down to it, a gun will recoil more as the magazine empties. The weight of the ammo resists recoil. Most people cannot tell the difference between the first and last shot.
     
  4. NGIB

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    Having owned a lot of the same guns in .40 and .45 my impression is the recoil just feels different between the 2 rounds. I find .40 to be more "snappy" with quick muzzle rise while the .45 feels more like a "push". Not very scientific I know, but this observation comes from shooting both rounds a lot in the same platforms...
     
  5. spittinfire

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    I agree with robo, the recoil is managable in both but different. The 40 is much sharper or snappy like NGIB mentioned. I personally don't care for 40s because I don't like the high pressures generated by the 40 and I don't like snappy recoil.
    I have an XD45 and it is very comfortable to shoot, the recoil isn't any less then the 40 but its a more gradual onset and offset. Also the pressure in the 45 is far lower then the 40.
    I don't think accuracy is an issue with either guns. I've owned 2 XDs and shot many others and fine myself as accurate with one as the next. I haven't shot an XDM40 though.
    I would say go and try as many as you can get your hands on and see which one you like best. I personally do not like 40s and I will never own a 40, I have a 45, but you might shoot one and think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. You won't know until you give them a try.
     
  6. Kage0113

    Kage0113 New Member

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    So is a starting pistol going to be easier in a 40 for 45? Is it gonna be eaasier to learn with a snappy recoil or a push recoil? The issue I have here is that neither gun range in town rents handguns. I shot my buddy's 1911 the other day and the recoil was pretty intense. So I know how .45 shoots, but I cant get a chance to shoot a 40 unless I buy it.
     
  7. NGIB

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    All I can tell you is that in a similar platform, I prefer shooting .45 to .40 - but you may not end up agreeing. If you shot a real 1911 and found it "intense", you may not enjoy shooting the light plastic pistols.

    The grip has a lot to do with perceived recoil as well. For example, I really like Hogue grips on Sigs - makes them much more comfortable to shoot...
     
  8. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    If this is your first handgun, I suggest going with something smaller. Get a 22 to practice with and learn the basics and get comfortable handling a pistol and move up later. It's important to learn the fundimentals first before moving into large calibers so your shooting doesn' suffer.
    If you have some experience shooting but this is first personal gun, maybe look at a 9mm. They are cheaper to shoot then both the 40 and 45 if you are buying all your ammo and the recoil is lighter. There are many options for XDs in 9mm.
     
  9. NGIB

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  10. Kage0113

    Kage0113 New Member

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    I thought alot about .22 and 9mm, but want a better protection caliber. That's why I was thinkg .45. I also just love the XDm, and it would be nice if they made a .45, and I thought about the XD45, and I'm just more into the Xdm. So really it is just between an XD45 and an XDM40.
     
  11. ad5zt

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    You might like the 9mm in the long run

    The 40 is a great round for self defense but works at very high pressure compared to 45 ACP. That high pressure causes muzzle blast and high perceived recoil. The 9mm is easier to control and a lot more fun to shoot. A magazine full of 9mm rounds will resolve 99.9 percent of the conflicts in which a civilian might find himself.

    Having said all of that I shoot 1911s in 45 ACP for pure fun and self defense.
     
  12. Cnynrat

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    I know others here may disagree, but I think 9mm is fine as a self defense caliber. When you look at the real world studies that have been done you see that it's really all about shot placement, not bullet size. It's even possible you may find you have better shot placement with the 9mm due to slightly less recoil and the possibility you may practice more since the ammo is a little cheaper.

    That said, we have .40's in our house for self defense. My wife shoots a .40 and she shoots pretty well and has no problem with the recoil.

    I love my Sig P226, and would recommend you give that option some consideration. As an all metal gun it's a little heavier than the plastic frame guns, and as a result the recoil is easier to deal with. Assuming you aren't going to be carrying it around with you all day the extra weight is no problem.

    You could buy a P226 in .40, and get the .22 upper end for it so you can practice with really cheap ammo using your primary self defense weapon. You can also get a 9mm barrel and magazines so you have the option of shooting multiple heavy calibers out of the same gun, That could be useful to deal with potential future ammo availability in one caliber vs. another.

    It's not clear from your post whether you've shot any of the guns you're thinking about. I recommend you find a local range that rents a nice variety of pistols and go try some out before you buy anything.
     
  13. Cnynrat

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    .40 S&W

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  14. feedsasquatch

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    I haven't shot Springfields, but I have shot both a Glock 23 (.40 S&W, which I own) and a Glock 30 (.45 ACP). I discovered that I personally prefer the feel of the .45 "recoil" to the .40 S&W. The .40 has a LOT of muzzle flip, whereas as the .45 just "pushes" back into your hand. I can control the .45 better, fire it more accurately, and fire it faster than the .40. Just my 2 cents...
     
  15. markhk

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    .40 .45

    In hand gun training class I shot an XDcompact in 9 mm and then shot the same version in .45 with my bother. I loved the 9, but felt comfortable with the .45 so that is what I bought. Later my son rented a .40 Glock (G27?) and we switched between his and my XD and any difference didn't seem to bother me. We only shot 50 rounds in each and I suspect that is not enough to make a decision. My 37 year old son was shooting for only the second time in his life and liked the .40 better, but I don't know if he was comfortable with either. I also am quite new to shooting. The point of this rambling is that there are a lot of variables to account for so I guess trying as many handguns as you can afford is the best policy. I couldn't wait to order my new XD so I suppose you should be a grown up when you try. Wonder what that's like.
     
  16. Kage0113

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    I haven't, which really sucks a lot. No gun range in town rents, which is really stupid, and a little frustrating. The guy has a used XDM40 in his shop, but whether or not it's there for me to try out is the question. He's selling it for 100 less than the original price and thinks it wont be around for me to try in a couple weeks. If it is, I'll try it out. I shot my buddy's 1911 and it kicked like a b****. And I hear the kick on a polymer frame may be a bit worse due to the weight of the gun, which is why i was gonna opt for the .40. I am only going to buy a polymer frame, which may make a difference in recoil.
     
  17. orangello

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    I've heard the bit about metal-framed pistols having lower recoil due to weight, and that makes a lot of sense. One thing that i don't usually hear is about the weight of the ammo in the magazine in a 1911 vs. that in a polymer gun. My XD holds 13 in the mag while most 1911's are in the single digits, as far as i know (not a 1911 expert by any stretch). So, i wonder how much weight difference there would be when compared loaded. Maybe they would be more even for the first half dozen shots. ;)
     
  18. diggsbakes

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    I shot about 300 rounds out of my XD 40 Tactical today and was very pleased. This is the 3rd time I took it out and by far the best. I was shooting 3-4 inch groups at 30 ft with pretty rapid fire and mixing up head shots randomly and got nothing but hits. Since 95-97% of gun fights occur with in this distance I am very satisified.

    I also shot my Dad's H&K 40 and it did not produce as good of results. I questioned the XD at first, but after it starts to loosen up and your proficiency increases. This gun rocks. After about 500-600 rounds, not a single misfire.

    We also shot a Kimber 1911 4" barrel and the last round kept jamming. Pops was pissed, but when functioning properly that gun shoots sweet and accurate. No recoil at all. Kinda boring if you ask me I like the power and speed of a nice .40, plus they have more capacity... 40 all the way for me
     
  19. utf59

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    I've shot XDs in 9mm, .40 and .45. The previous comments about the difference in recoil between .40 and .45 are consistent with my own experience — the .40 is "snappy," and the .45 is more of a push. I would add that the muzzle flip in a .40 becomes far more pronounced in guns with shorter barrels. Since you mentioned the XDm, which is a full-sized gun, I think the muzzle flip will be less of a problem than with a compact or subcompact.

    I also don't think you should dismiss the 9mm. It's a perfectly viable self-defense round, it gives you greater capacity and more control than either the .40 or .45, and the ammo is cheaper.

    Also, if you are new to shooting, a .22 is usually the best platform to learn on. The ammunition is cheap, and it's an easy way to learn the fundamentals. I've been shooting for years, and I still keep a .22 for inexpensive trigger time. It helps practice the sight picture and trigger control fundamentals, but it doesn't cost as much to shoot. At a typical range session, I'll end up shooting 30 – 50 rounds each of 9mm and .45, and 50 – 100 rounds of .22.

    But if you can only afford one gun, at least for the time being, I'd think about a 9mm. It's a good defense round, it's easy to learn to shoot with, and the ammo is cheaper than any of the other calibers that most people consider viable for self-defense.

    In case you're wondering, I do carry in .45. It isn't because I'm macho or because I consider a smaller round to be ineffective. I just shoot better groups with it.