.40 cal rounds for home defense

Discussion in 'Semi-Auto Handguns' started by 99zulu, Oct 24, 2013.

  1. 99zulu

    99zulu New Member

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    I've heard, and read that hollow points are the best choice for home defense ammunition. I've also heard a lot of negative things about using hollows. Such as failing to penetrate through thick clothing. My Sr40 holds 15+1, and I figure at least a couple of them should get through lol. I'd like to know your guys' opinions on preffered home defense ammo. Particularly about what grain I should be using in my .40
     
  2. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    most major brands of JHP ammo is going to perform pretty much the same with a few exceptions. when dealing with ammo for personal protection such as CC, or SD/HD usage, my main criteria is that whatever ammo i choose to use performs reliabily in my firearm, whether it be a pistol or a shotgun.

    if the ammo fails to feed properly or has any type of problems, it's pretty much irrelevent in how well it penetrates, it's expansion or how accurate that ammo is. my ammo going bang and coming out the barrel, everytime the trigger is pulled, is of much more importance than anything else.
     

  3. mountainman13

    mountainman13 New Member

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    I stagger hydra-shocks and flat tip fmj's for self defense. If for some reason the hollow doesn't penetrate the second shot will.
    No ideal for in the home though.
     
  4. txpossum

    txpossum New Member

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    I have used Federal Hydra-Shoks for years as my self defense round. I know they have come out with newer, more flavor of the month ammo, but they've always worked well for me, and I've seen no reason to fix something that's not broken. And I can't imagine how thick ordinary clothing would be before they would fail to penetrate.
     
  5. AIKIJUTSU

    AIKIJUTSU New Member

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    IMHO .40 is perfectly good for home defense, to fight your way to a 12 ga.
    Speer Gold Dot is reputed to be good ammo. The main thing is to have the ammo cycle the gun properly and hit the target. Don't panic and resort to the "spray-n-pray" method, take a half second longer and aim your shot(s). The old-time successful gunslingers, such as Hickock were not the fastest to draw and fire, but remained calm, took their time and aimed their shots while the BG's were firing shot after shot and missing.
     
  6. eatmydust

    eatmydust New Member

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    +1 on what Axxe55 just laid out.

    Stick with major manufacturers' SD/HD JHP ammo. Federal, Hornady, Winchester, Remington & Speer are 5 names that you can trust.

    This is an area where the newest, fanciest gizmo may not be your best choice.
     
  7. Anna_Purna

    Anna_Purna New Member

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    I prefered the heavier grain hollowpoints just because of the better penetration over a lighter round.

    Just shoot a couple of boxes of whatever you choose to make sure they feed with no issues. Now that I am up here, I use nothing but softpoints.
     
  8. 99zulu

    99zulu New Member

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    Thanks for the input :)
     
  9. 99zulu

    99zulu New Member

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    I completely agree. I'm in the army national guard, and one time in the field we were expending unshot 5.56 ammo. We were shooting at posters of bin laden on three round burst from the standing postion at about 25 meters or so. One of the younger privates wasn't taking the time to aim every time he brought his weapon up, and out of 210 rounds he probably hit roughly 50.
    I always tell my friends how important aiming is, and how un realistic tv shows are. The people on the walking dead are probably the best marksman in the world lol
     
  10. Jagermeister

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    Ditto. Good advice Anna. I carry an HK USP .40 as a sidearm while hunting. I have taken down a 200 pound charging boar with a headshot using a .40 S&W magtech 180 grain hollow point round. I hit it with two rounds, but it dropped with the first shot. The round will take out both two and four legged pigs. As already said, run the chosen round through your mags to insure reliability.
     
  11. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    I haven't heard of penetration being a major problem through heavy clothing with the .40. I have heard of the hollow points getting clogged, and then failing to expand, but that usually increases the penetration.

    I'm a Gold Dot fan. I have run them in .38 Spec., 9mm, .45, .380, and .357 mag. one .38 was a bit finiky on feeding them so I stopped carrying them in that .380. I don't have a .40, but my experience with them in the calibers on either side of the .40 has left me pleased so far.
     
  12. Anna_Purna

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    yep, Iv'e mostly read that with 9mms and smaller
     
  13. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    Even the 9mm Luger is often tagged as being an overpenetrator by some. With the 9 though, a good hollow point should be built tough enough to hold together and retain weight for sufficient penetration with expansion.
     
  14. DeltaF

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    What you want to look at is 2 things:

    #1: does the ammo cycle well through your weapon

    #2 does the ammo pass the FBI penetration standards.

    The FBI testing protocol tests ammunition through metal, heavy clothing, walls and a door simulant, if the round doesn't penetrate a minimum of 12 inches in all 7 stages of the test, it fails the test.

    Almost all modern JHPs designed for self defense pass the test in a .38 or above. 380 and below don't have a single round that does pass the test. In most instances, if it doesn't pass that test, don't carry it for self defense.
     
  15. DeltaF

    DeltaF New Member

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    To name a few that have passed the testing I mentioned previously, in no particular order. Off the top of my head the following ammo has passed the test:

    Winchester
    Ranger, Ranger T, Partition Gold, Bonded

    Speer
    Gold Dot

    Federal
    Tactical, HST

    Remington
    Golden Saber


    Cor-Bon (Loaded with Barnes)
     
  16. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    For my money, Hornady Critical Duty/Defense is what I'm going with. My understanding is that both are designed to penetrate clothing, and THEN expand. In addition, the Critical Duty is also designed to penetrate harder things like windshields, plywood, etc, THEN expand. Also passes the FBI penetration test.

    Their Zombie Defense, from what I can tell is the same as CD, but with a green tip instead of a red one, and slightly cheaper.
     
  17. wittmeba

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    DeltaF - thanks for the info.
     
  18. DeltaF

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    No prob man. Glad I could help.

    As far as I know the Federal HST dwarfs the other .40 rounds. When fully expanded its almost a full inch wide. 0.95" in the tests I saw with their 155 grain HST. Nothing else even came close to it. The 180 grain HST is about the same.
     
  19. Sniper03

    Sniper03 Supporting Member Supporter

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    There are a lot of good quality HPs for the 40 cal. And as many have mentioned flawless feeding is one of the most important issues.
    I like several HP rounds for the 40. However I have done some light testing and found that if a pistol is a little temperamental about the rounds the Hornady Critical Defense round works every time even in a finicky pistol. It is a good defense round and the contour of the bullet is responsible for it's fail safe feeding. I am now also using it in my Kahr P-380 since it did not want to load the first round out of the magazine by pulling the slide back and releasing it. Got some 380 Critical Defense rounds and feeds no matter how I do it. As stated now I am also using it in my 40 cal Model 22 and 27 Glock. Good ballistics and penatration.
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  20. wittmeba

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    DeltaF - where do you obtain your information? Seems to me like a FMJ would have good penetration but don't see much about them.

    Also, I didn't see any mention of wad-cutters for home protection and have read on this forum they work well.