.380 HP, What's the point?

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by danolator, May 14, 2013.

  1. danolator

    danolator New Member

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    Hey there. Is there really any advantage to using hollow point ammunition in your .380 mouse gun? I've seen lots of negative comments on going ball-hollow, but no real justification for loading up a mag w/HP. Personally, I think hollow point only in a six round mag could put you at a big disadvantage in a fight where the perp is wearing extremely heavy clothing.
     
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  2. johnr1943

    johnr1943 New Member

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    Well, maybe it would be better to use it only during the warmer months. :D
     

  3. Biohazurd

    Biohazurd New Member

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    Any caliber under 9x19 gets FMJ or other round nose ammo for me. My lcp barrel is so dang short you cant expect much penetration. Just my method of doing things.
     
  4. Doc3402

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    If you ever need to defend yourself against an attacking block of ballistic gelatin I strongly suggest JHP in a .380. Ballistic gel is the only place I have ever seen a JHP penetrate far enough to do any good. In real life I would either go with FMJ or a mix of the two.
     
  5. hardluk1

    hardluk1 Active Member

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    Well if your lifes not worth a box or 5 of 380 dpx bullets for saving a life then nope fmj are fine. Practice with cheaper fmj shoot enough good quality hp ammo stuff know it will not be any worse than fmj and then carry the best bullet you can find . Also companies like corbon , underwood and buffalo bore do make a better load than say, win, fed, rem and a few other bigger companies. .
     
  6. dragunovsks

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    If you're worried about penetration you shouldnt be carrying a .380, so splitting hairs between hp or fmj is really pointless. I have a .380 that i carry mostly in the summer because carrying my full size 1911 can be rather uncomfortable when its 105 with 90% humidity. I do have two mags worth of hp, but they were given to me by a former coworker. Ive only bought fmj's so far because they're cheaper.
     
  7. gr8oldguy

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    Here's an excellent reason to carry hp in a 380. About two years ago there was an argument at a bar that proceeded to move to the parking lot. Two men and a woman were involved, pushing and shoving began. One of the fools pulled his 380 and shot the other using ball ammo. The round went through the man's body and hit his girlfriend who was standing behind him. Both people died from their wounds. I think a hp might have prevented at least one useless death. This all happened in Wisconsin, btw. The guy who did the shooting got 7 years for negligent homicide.
     
  8. eatmydust

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    My 1st two rounds are JHP IN MY .380. If the 1st double-tap doesn't do the trick then it's FMJ, JHP, FMJ, JHP, FMJ.
     
  9. danolator

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    Excellent points. I do think the quality of the HP ammo might make some difference. BTW, I am a proponent of the Ball-Hollow approach.
     
  10. cluznar

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    I find Hornady Critical Defense and Corbon Pwrball ammo to work well in my Bersa Thunder .380 they are both hollow points but have either a plastic or polymer filler in the hollow point. You might try a box.
     
  11. cvia

    cvia New Member

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    Do some actual penetration testing yourself. While a 380 is less potent I've seen them get plenty of penetration. Test different ammo. A 380 in a pocket gun is meant for like ten feet. It's a get off me gun. Don't under estimate the 380!
     
  12. HockaLouis

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    Practice with what you like, but buy 12 boxes of Buffalo Bore. Carry these and fire out your mag(s) every season or so. I also swap numbered mags then.

    The standard pressure truncated cone FMJ 95 grain or 100 grain Flat Nose hardened lead are nice but if you have a good quality gun, particularly all steel, pistol go with the same, and especially the latter, bullet in 380+P. When they say "+P" they MEAN it. Stop what must be be stopped.

    https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=29
     
  13. SK2344

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    I live here in Southern Florida and I carry the same Gun all year around. It gets very hot and humid during the Summer Months and I don't feel the need to carry a lighter smaller Gun. I always carry my .45 cal Glock 36 every day all day long! It's 95 to 100 degrees all summer long and it does not bother me in the least! :confused:
     
  14. cluznar

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    Burglar enters house at night. Owner hears him, shoots burglar in chest with one round of .380, burglar dies. True story! .380 has even taken down wild pigs. The .380 is not a bad defense gun, I carry either a Bersa Thunder .380 or my Bersa Thunder .32 and feel well protected. No one is gonna take a round or two in center mass from either and laugh at me.
     
  15. BeyondTheBox

    BeyondTheBox New Member

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    Q: .380 hp, what's the point?

    A: Um..., hollow!?!!!!
     
  16. John_Deer

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    I agree 100%. Of the guns I own the 357 mag is the only one I trust to get the job done with HP ammo.
     
  17. TekGreg

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    Has anyone ever seriously looked at Glaser Pow'R ball? From the site (emphasis mine):

    "The patented Pow'RBall projectile is a JHP bullet with a polymer ball crimped in the tip. This tip enhances feeding in those finicky feeding pistols but it also delays the expansion of the projectile when it hits soft tissue, making it a more controlled expansion bullet. This controlled expansion gives you deeper penetration, better weight retention and more consistent expansion in soft tissue. The lighter weight projectile also makes recoil recovery much easier for follow up shots."

    A hollow point, if it works, will mushroom, dumping its energy faster and not penetrating deeply. If it doesn't expand, it may still flatten because of the bullet shape and either tumble or fail to penetrate. An FMJ has NO chance of expanding, thereby getting much better penetration, but also no expansion or large temporary stretch cavities and has the chance to over-penetrate and injure innocents. With the Pow'R Ball round, the polymer ball nose should cause the round to penetrate deeper before the expansion of the round causes the greater dump of energy and stoppage of the bullet before over-penetration.

    Some real-world testing should be done with this round to determine suitability. A gel block with a T-shirt, polo shirt and denim or leather jacket in front of it would tell the tale pretty well.
     
  18. BeyondTheBox

    BeyondTheBox New Member

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    Same thing as critical defense ftx.
     
  19. TekGreg

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    So have you tested it for penetration and expansion?
     
  20. Crazvet

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    I second the using self defense rounds in any carry weapon, the companies making them work hard to maximize effectiveness and minimize over penetration, it could very well save ur *** in a wrongful death lawsuit if a innocent bystander is killed(and even wounding someone unintentionally will be a lawsuit)