338 winchester alaskan magnum muzzle brake

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  1. boredintr

    boredintr New Member

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    Im looking a buying a winchester 338 magnum alaskan model should i put a muzzel break on it and what kind of recoil reduction can i exspect 225 gr sst bullets will it ompare to a 308 or a 270


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  2. boredintr

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    What will the accuracy be good or bad any one own one of these


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  3. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    a lot of it's accuracy will be dependent upon how bad you flinch from the recoil. even with a muzzle brake the 338 WM is a stout recoiling rifle. and a lot of accuracy comes from finding the right factory load or reloading to find the right combination that works well in that rifle.

    and getting a muzzle brake installed correctly is not cheap. not just anyone can do one properly and make it work correctly.
     
  4. boredintr

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    Owned and shoot a 1895 marlin for years shot my own hand loads in it 52 gr reloader 7 powder with a hornaday 350 gr rn bullet it kicked hard bard enough to bruise off the bench i am hoping the 338 mag will hit as hard at 300 yards. As the 45/70 did at 100 yrds and with the muzzel break it will be a lot lighter on the recoil


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  5. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i have shot several rifles in 45-70 and also the 338 WM. the 338 WM is a bit more recoil than the 45-70.

    i am curious as to what you would be hunting to think you need a 338 WM though. just about any game in North America can be taken with a 30-06 if you use the proper ammo and shot placement.
     
  6. boredintr

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    338 winchester alaskan magnum muzzel break

    Elk moose griz at a longer range then the 45/70 can do with a clean kill 300 yards vs a 100 for he 45/70 bullet choices go from 185 gr to 300gr the 300 gr at 2450 is more then i can get out of my 45/70 safely


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  7. Gonzilla

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    If you go w the MB, make sure you get a model that slides to a closed position or you replace break w solid. Always wondered if it changed POI any...

    Muzzle breaks should only be used on the bench and even then, you will irritate people. :D

    A custom rifle maker decided to make the rifle in .338 WM. They moved the accuracy std from 1/2" to 3/4" - of course, people wondered why ? Everything from too powerful, yada, yada but the answer had nothing to do w the gun at all.

    The rifle will still group 1/2" or under but do to recoill, they gave the accuray guarantee a "helping hand" to protect fragile egos.

    You might want to try the 375 HH or Ruger. For comfort - 9 lb or more including scope weight.
     
  8. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    accuracy of the rifle or the cartridge is not the problem, but the person pulling the trigger and having to deal with massive recoil. hard to maintain good groups when you flinch from recoil! this has been a problem for many years with hard recoiling lighweight hunting rifles. trying to sight them in and work up good groups while building loads for them. part of the reason i don't own any large bore magnums anymore.
     
  9. boredintr

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    338 winchester alaskan magnum muzzel break

    The recoil tables estimate 32lbs recoil 16 for recoil velocity what about a mercury tube . This is for hunting and hiking around in griz country with my kids to go fishing with a scope i should be over 9 lbs a muzzle break and decelerator Recoil pad. Should take some ofthe sting out dont you think ?


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  10. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    a mercury tube adds weight as well as acting similiar to a shock absorber. i have no real experiance with the mercury tubes, but IIRC, they have to be fitted to the stock by boring it out for the mercury tube. weigh can be your friend when shooting large bore magnum rifles, but the trade-off is lugging that heavy rifle all day long. that can make for a long and tiring day.

    recoil pad should help a lot. a good recoil pad. as JonM suggested, if you have the chance to shoot one, then try one out before buying one. it would give you an idea of what to expect in owning and shooting one.
     
  11. boredintr

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    One poster here said a muzzle break dont make a lot of difference on this caliber whys that i thought muzzle breaks worked to reduce recoil on all calibers


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  12. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    it will make a small difference, but not a huge one. he 338 WM is a hard recoiling round. it will be something to live with if you own and shoot one.
     
  13. boredintr

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    338 winchester alaskan magnum muzzel break

    So there is no way to get the recoil down its still 5 lbs ls lighter then my 45/70 with full house loads and my 45/70 has a hard recoil pad accuracy is probably most important i can take sore shoulder for moose meat or not my kids or me getting eaten by a bear


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  14. Axxe55

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    my best suggestion is to see if you can find someone with a a 338 WM that will let you try one out. i can't judge whether you will be able to handle the recoil or what exactly it will take to get the recoil where you can handle it. my body is different and what i could handle years ago has changed over the years. due to neck and back problems that i now have, shooting large magnum rifles for extended amounts of time is not feasible for me. as such i am moving my rifles into being heavier target rifles, rather than lighterweight hunting rifles. i have no desire to own a any lightweight rifles anymore. my lightest weight rifle is my M700 in 204 Ruger and it still weighs almost 9 lbs.
     
  15. boredintr

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    I like heaver rifles too seems easier to shoot well thank you for all the advice and help


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  16. nitestalker

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    The .338 WM is the most popular hunting rifle for Elk in the Northern Rockies. The .338 loaded with a 250 grs. bullet at full throttle will hammer about any thing. The .338 WM is very accurate at long ranges across Mountain Parks and short shots in Black Timber.
    I have never known anyone who had a problem with the recoil. The muzzle break is OK for shooting targets from a bench. They are useless for hunting. The side blast and down range blast can be heard 3 canyons away. Always remove the "Midas" muffler when hunting. Comparing a "Rainbow" .45-70 to a .338 is a futile argument.
    My old battered .338 has decked many Elk and big Mule deer. I have never shot any game and felt the recoil. I think if you feel the recoil when shooting game you have just missed your target.:)
     
  17. boredintr

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    Great positive reply thank you . Do you ever use 225 gr bullets


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  18. nitestalker

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    Many years ago I was living in the Big Horn Mtn country and the Powder River Divide. This is some of the best Elk country in America. I knew one of the best Guides and Outfitters in the "Hole in the Wall". I had traded my old .300 H&H Mdl. 70 for a Mdl. 70 .338 WM.
    The old Wrangler told me to use only 250 grs. bullets. He said if you want the Elk to stay down and not have to pound leather all day looking for a wounded critter never use the 225 grs bullets. I did not listen or forgot? Some years went by and I was hunting in the Sierra Madre Range in Wyoming. I shot a nice 5 point Bull {Western Count} with a 225 gr. bullet.
    This was the only time I had a bull go down and get up after a hit from my .338. He went about 25 yards and tangled in some "Dog Hair" Aspen. I put a .44 Mag slug behind his ear. I never used the 225 gr, bullets in my .338 WM again.:)
     
  19. McCakie

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    338 winchester alaskan magnum muzzel break


    I load a 225 gr SST behind 71.5g of h4350 for mine and it's nothing I can't handle for about 20 rounds after that the shoulder starts hurting... And that round is good past 1000 but I wouldn't punch anything but steel at that range


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  20. boredintr

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    Whats the velocity of your hand load


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