.308 range?

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by huckleberry, Dec 26, 2007.

  1. huckleberry

    huckleberry New Member

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    Does anyone know the range on a remington 700 model .308? For example, "the remington 700 .308 is accurate up to a distance of ____."
     
  2. Duck

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    There are too many factors to be able to answer a question like that. It depends on the rifle. Some are more accurate than others right out of the box.
    When you say accurate, are you talking about shooting targets or hunting?
     

  3. matt g

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    Decent ammo should get you in the neighborhood of 1000+ meters if you know what you're doing.
     
  4. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    .308 range.

    1000 yards is not unheard of. The big factor is remaining supersonic. When a bullet passes out of the supersonic range the disturbance throws accuracy all to he!!. You have to find a load that will remain above the speed of sound to that distance. Heavier bullets retain velocity longer that is why they are the choice of long range shooters. 168 grain minimum. 175 grain much better at long range.
     
  5. huckleberry

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    yea, i guess i didnt really realize how much science was behind that question. i just got a 700 model .308 and a buddy of mine asked me that, and i didnt know so i asked yall. i'm still learning guys so bare with me. i know how to load and shoot my guns safely and thats about as far as my knowledge goes... but thats why i'm here.:D
     
  6. Dgunsmith

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    308 Range

    The wild card becomes the optics on the rifle. More range = need more magnification.

    Ammo becomes critical beyond 300 yards.

    1 MOA DOT covers 6 inches @ 600 yards. Unless a Varmint heavy barrel config, bedded with target crown, trigger work...I would say 300 yards.
    With proper set-up and optics could go to 600 yards.

    With out a precision build, 1000 yards is beyond expectation of most shooters.

    Military snipers with 308 know their rifles accuracy at 600 yards.
    Navy shooters with 300 win mag can go 1000 yards easier.
    Beyond that precision 50BMG does better.
     
  7. djl4570

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    There are a lot of variables that come into play when shooting long ranges. A rifle that shoots to point of aim at one hundred yards can shoot fifteen inches low at three hundred yards. So the answer Depends on the rifle, the ammunition and the shooter and the conditions.

    A box stock Remington 700 BDL will not be as accurate as a 700P. A 700 BDL that has been pillar bedded and tuned by a gunsmith could well be more accurate than a 700P. Ammunition with good external ballistics will have less time in flight which means less time to drop or be affected by wind. Such ammunition typically has poor terminal ballistics.

    While not a Remington; my Sako AII Tactical shoots sub minute of angle at one hundred yards (The RSO calls it a boring rifle because it keeps shooting nickel and quarter sized groups all day long). At six hundred yards my groups were about nine inches right to left and five inches top to bottom. This reflects my lack of skill at reading the wind. My 700P shoots similar groups at one hundred yards but I have not had a chance to try it at longer distances.
     
  8. Righteous

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    seen them hit at 1000 yards easy
     
  9. rachilders

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    It's more a matter of being able to see a target at long range than hitting it. If you can't see your target, how do you expect to hit it with ANY bullet/rifle. :confused:

    I'm constantly seeing posts here and at other forums about how one rifle/caliber has more range or is more accurate than another, but I don't see very much on optics. I'm in my mid fifties and still have 20/20 vision, but even 20 years ago, I couldn't see well enough to find a COM sized target and hit it (unless it was a lucky shot) at more than 150 yards without a scope of some type. Yet, I regularly read of folks hitting a torso size - or even smaller head sized - target with iron sights at 300, 500 or even a 1,000 yards, especially with military rifles. Honestly, how many people can even see a target of that size at those ranges ~ much less hit it ~ without some sort of scope? Even with a scope, VERY few people other than professional shooters, snipers or hunters in open country like the western/midwest US are ever required to make a shot beyond a few hundred yards, and usually at much less. Also, the chances are that if you are talking about combat situations, the target will not only be trying to hide and/or moving, but will quite likely be shooting back!

    Personally, I've found that most calibers/bullets/guns in use today will get the job done if you match the caliber/gun with your intended target... and if you plan on shooting at ranges beyond 100 yds, invest in a good scope or two. The scope will make more of a difference in your ability to hit your target (at longer ranges anyway) than anything else.
     
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  10. Duck

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    It's not terribly hard to see a target at 300 yards if it is on a range or across an open field. That same distance through the woods could be impossible. I know that during qualification, I was better at hitting the Crazy Ivan targets at 300 yards than I was at 250. That is with open sights on a God knows how old A2. I'm not what I consider a super shot (I know folks that are a lot better), but I'm probably above average.
     
  11. Benelli29

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    It depends how you sight it in if you sight it in dead on a 25 yards you will be 3 inches high at 100 yards and a 250 dead on again.I did the reaserch and own a 308.
     
  12. Blindman

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    With YOUR setup. I do beleive it depends on alot of things, including ring height. So many people make everything seam so simple. If it was so easy why are world class snipers so rare?
     
  13. robocop10mm

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  14. gunsandoptics.com

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    I have a Savage Weather Warrior series in .308 Win. In general terms, if you sight in w/say a 150 grain bullet such as a Winchester PP, and put your shots about 2 inches high at 100 yards, you should be right on the money at or about 200 yards and probably 8.5 inches give or take low at 300 yards.

    That doesn't necessarily mean yu are set to shoot whitetails at 300 yards. Your particular rifle may or may not shoot min of angle groups out to 300 yards (I.E. 1 inch 100, 2 inches 200 and 3 inches at 300 yards).

    You might do better than that or your rifle might struggle to put 3 shots into 5 or even 6 inches at 300 yards. The only way to determine your own rifle's accuracy is to use the charts and ballistic tables as a guideline and then put some time at the bench on the sandbags and find out what your gun likes to eat. My Savage likes Winchester 150 grain power points and that just also happen sto be a find whitetail load for that rifle.

    Your might like 150 grain ballistic tips, or 165 grain Hornady interbonds etc. Each rifle is a law unto itself. You should be able to find a load that will work out to 300 yards with the right scope and a good rest. I have found the 180 grain load are not to my rifle's liking, however if I were using it on black bear over bait at a known distance of let's say max 75 yards, that is the load I would use and sacrifice a little accuracy for the extra bullet weight at that distance against a black bear. You simply need to experiment with differnt factory loads if you do not handload or are unable to find someone in your area to load for you. Hope that helps, Dan
     
  15. RL357Mag

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    Just finished a book called "Dead Center" by Ed Kugler - a Marine Recon Sniper in Vietnam during the late 60's. He carried a Win. Mod.70 with fixed 4power Unertl scope and made confirmed kills with it out to 1300 yds. During his second year the Marine Corp switched to Remington Mod. 700's and he claims the range and accuracy dropped dramatically. I don't know if the "new" Remingtons were also chambered in 30-06 like his Winchester, but that might explain the difference. The book is a good read and explains how they trained at various distances.
    Wanna see what a .50 Cal. McMillan will do at 3000 yds?
    http://Making_a_Good_Taliban.WMV
     
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  16. Dillinger

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    ^ Ed Kugler's book is commonly referred to as a work of history with embelishment. I read it too, and then did some asking around and I think in knowledgable circles you will find that he has a bit of "generous" memory on his skills and his abilities.

    For a good read on real sniping from an expert in the subject I would recommend The Ultimate Sniper by John Plaster. A must have for any long range shooter/police sniper. Sniper and Snipper II by Lonsdale would also be on the recommended list, but not nearly first. If you are looking for real stories from Veitnam outside of Carlos, which has his objectors as well, I would recommend Death From Afar from the Chandler Brothers. Their series has some great, accurate and historically verified stories from field operations.

    In Ultimate Sniper, Plaster who is a renowned as a top level sniper/trainer/consultant, routinely dismisses the .308 round past about 650 yards. Will it go further and still produce kills? Sure. Is it the ideal weapon at that range? Not likely.

    Ft. Lewis, Washington has several sniper teams in Afghanistan and Iraq currently and they are all taking a stick that is Remington ( .300 Win mag ) or A.I. ( .338 Lapua ) for the tasks at hand. Given the environment they are shooting in ( long, flat, hot ) I would submit that they probably are not fielding the .308 for a reason.

    JD
     
  17. RL357Mag

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    Thank you for the info. I will check the bookstore for all of the titles you mentioned. I have heard much of the .300 Win Mag and .338 Lapua surpassing the .308 in tactical shooting. I bought a DPMS LR-308 bull barreled AR and now I need to find a suitable range to test it's range and accuracy. My son was telling me he had to qualify at 600 yds. at Parris Island last year with a stock M-16. The bullseye, or more accurately, the torso area is only about 24". At 51 yrs. old I don't think I would qualify anymore with open sights so I bought a 6-24X scope. Even at 24x shooting at over 600 yds would be difficult for me, especially with the "shake" factor. I like reading about how these snipers do it.