308 / 7x64 / 30-06 ???

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by Jasson, Oct 23, 2012.

  1. Jasson

    Jasson New Member

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    Please help!
    I currently own a Parker Hale 303. She is a beaut and has sentimental value. Have not hunted much with her as im so scared I damage the rose wood stock. Im looking at a 2nd caliber (hunting work horse) to use. Im gonna be hunting duiker, bushbuck, kudu, warthog and bush pig mainly. Terrain is open with lots of thickets we will be having to walk through. Im stuck between choosing a 308, 30-06 /7x64. Pro for 30-06 is the versitile loads but con is recoil. I like a 243 due to little recoil but afraid of meat damage at close ranges. Please share your experience and wisdom in helping me decide.
    Ps I will be handloading mostly and looking at a Howa with synthetic stock.
     
  2. magnumman

    magnumman New Member

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    308 is a safe bet. Lots of reasonably priced ammo for practice. If you handload 308 is very versatile as well. 243 is a good round as well but I'm not sure If I fully understand the meat damage issue. Any of the calibers you mention will do some damage at close range.
     

  3. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    30-06 does not have that much more recoil than a 308. Outstanding cartridge. A good butt pad will help. What is readily available if you run out of ammo? What is available where you will be hunting? If recoil is that much of an issue, you might look at a 7x57 a 6.5x55 or even a 270.
     
  4. jpattersonnh

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    I've never heard someone that hunts Africian plains game call .308 or .30-06 by their standard caliber tag. 7.62x51 or 7.62x63, sure that is normal. But curious why the standard, not metric tag? Most people would look to cartridges availible at their location if they were taking a trip to hunt on the plains. 7x57, 8x57, 9.3x57, 9.3x62, or some other Brenneke cartridge (besides 7x64). Is the rifle going to be scoped or open sight? Is the game driven or stalked? Could you run into dangerous game?? It happens w/ drives. What Howa comes in 7x64??
     
  5. AsSeenOnTV

    AsSeenOnTV New Member

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    I weigh 117 pounds, and use a 338 win mag for work up here. So you should be able to handle a 30.06. Get a limbsaver pad and you can hang with us girls! :p

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  6. Jasson

    Jasson New Member

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    243 has a higher velocity and on impact at close ranges does more meat damage than a slower projectile would. Ammo is readily available for all above mentioned calibers. I hunt in the eastern cape of South Africa and we refer to most rifles as a 308 or 3006 unless no name is noted then referred to caliber casings. Im relatively new to hunting still. 6.5x55 is scarce in the ammo department. Some farmers might frown upon a 7x57 for Kudu depending on whos farm you hunting hence the exclusion.
     
  7. TLuker

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    The old .30-06 would probably be your best bet especially since you're reloading? It is a very versatile cartridge, but either would work well.

    I've shot some some .308's that kick worse than some .30-06's so I wouldn't worry too much about recoil. As all ready mentioned, just get a good recoil pad and you'll be surprised at how nice a 30-06 will shoot. You also have the option of working up some lighter loads if you wanted to.

    I've never shot a Howa but they appear to be fine rifles. I really don't think you can make a bad choice with either .30-06 or .308 in a Howa. :)
     
  8. fmj

    fmj Active Member

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    for the record...308 and 30-06 are ballisticaly exact @ 100 yds.

    Personally i prefer to 06...heavier bullets at longer ranges if one chooses.
     
  9. jpattersonnh

    jpattersonnh Active Member

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    Bell hunted w/ 7x57 and 6.5x55 along w/ 8x57 and .303. He was an elephant hunter. Farmers in SA are not going to have an issue w/ the 7x57 since it was there ancestors, the Boer,kicked the brits @sses w/ it. Kudu buck weigh about 200lb. Not a huge animal. Both 6.5x55 and 7x57 have been used in SA for over 100 years and are readily availible. If you are going there here is a list you can contact from the U.S.
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  10. dteed4094

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    I have 2 30.06s and one 308 which has a much greater felt recoil than the 06s. I fell in love with the 308 when I held it, it just felt like it was made for me. It is light, pulls up naturaly and is easy to carry. I would try to over come the recoil by realizing that most of it is multiplied by apprehension. Shooting a lot properly usually makes recoil a non issue, at least in these smaller calibers. You may consider two guns that would widen your capabilities.
     
  11. Cheeseman

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    Funny, I have a Win. M 100 in .308 and my new Win. 1895 in 30/06. The '95 kicks like a mule! I have a new Ruger 77 Gunsight Scout Rifle in .308, but haven't had the chance to fire it. The '95 is much harder than the 100, figuring it's an autoloader has something to do with it, but none of them are a .22
     
  12. Jasson

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    The kudu bulls we hunt are in the 300lbs range with trophies exceeding 400lbs but i do realize where you coming from.

    I think people have spoken so negatively of the recoil of a 30 06 that i feared it without even shooting one myself.

    Never thought of handloading lighter loads (might just give ghat a try). Plus i spoke to a guy who is a collector and he says i can get a chamber adapter for the 30 06 to fire 308 rounds. So all that is left is to test fire someones 30 06 this weekend if the weayher holds and if i like it, make the purchase. Will keep you guys updated and thanks for the help
     
  13. therewolf

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    Unless you're taking shots out past 500 yards, I'd go

    with .308, for reduced recoil.
     
  14. chloeshooter

    chloeshooter New Member

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    Wow how did our soldiers handle those Springfields and M1 Garrands with all that badass recoil? 30-06 baby!
     
  15. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The .30-06 is one of those legendary rounds, like the .45-70 and .30-30 that just gets better with age.

    Especially if you live in an area such as Africa where handloading is difficult or restricted.

    Factory ammo can be obtained in bullet weights from 1120 to 220 grains easily. Semi custom ammo can be had up to 250 grains.
     
  16. The_Kid

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    I have a Howa 1500 30-06 with the Hogue OverMolded stock; the "super cushion" recoil pad works wonderfully!
     
  17. primer1

    primer1 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    30-06, especially if you handload, you can load them down. Go with the 308 if you want the slightly faster short action. Recoil? My grandpa carried a Springfield '03, with a steel buttpad, he was around 120 pounds at the time.
     
  18. texaswoodworker

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    Go with the 30-06. If your worried about recoil, put a good buttpad on it. They are a pleasure to shoot, have really good range, and are very accurate. ;)
     
  19. 303tom

    303tom Well-Known Member

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    Sounds to me like you already have the perfect rifle for the job, but if you are afraid you might get a scratch on her, get your self a Savage in .308, I don`t think you would go wrong with the .308................
     
  20. JTJ

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    Another possibility is to get a working stock for the 303. Some regiments used to have parade stocks for their 03's and field stocks for maneuvers.