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Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by getting old, Mar 27, 2009.
My friend a small, thin guy asks about putting on a limb saver recoil pad. What should I advise him?
Linbsaver, Pachmeyer Decellerator. Both are good.
Tell him to eat. Mass is important in controlling recoil.
Seriously -- fit is the crucial part of managing recoil in the larger caliber rifles. Any of the large recoil pads are good options.
There are some ballistic calculators which can quantify recoil for you -- Pays to know what you're getting into. 30-06 runs about 20 ft. lbs. 45/70 is around 45 ft. lbs. 458 Win. Mag. runs 60 ft. lbs. 416 Rigby -- topped off -- is about 100 ft. lbs.
Just to put things in perspective.
Recoil Calculator at HuntAmerica.com
In this day and age, there is NO reason for someone to be pounded by a hard and sharp recoiling rifle. The idea of adding a Pachmayr Decel, or a Limbsaver type pad is excellent advice. We use the Pachmayr Decel Pad as a standard item on all of our rifles.
Another piece of recoil management technology that we use as a standard item on any rifle that will pound the shooter is the incorporation of a "Recoil Reducer". I put the name in parenthesis because what they really do is slow down the recoil or kinetic energy so that the shooter feels a push instead of a punch from the rifle during the firing cycle.
On all of the magnum calibers we also add a muzzle brake and a thread cap. We just shipped a 6.5 lb hunting rifle chambered in 338 Remington Ultra Magnum that has all three forms of recoil management listed above, and the rifle hits your shoulder and face like a 243 Winchester when shot with hot handloads using a 250 grain projectile.
My experiences have taught me that it is difficult (if not impossible) to shoot accurately when being punished by a rifle.
Go with a pad and recoil reducer like a murcery filled one in side the stock of the rifle.
Muzzle breaks are for sissies and morons. Shot next to me with one and I will cuss you out. I can't stand them at all.
He might also look at a different rifle one with recoil he can manage. Like a 30-06 or 284 win.
Hey Tango,I guess I'm a BIG sissy & a MORON cause I have a brake on two of my rifles. Why don't you come set next to me while I fire 40-50 rds out of each one,and cuss me out. That would make my day.
I think muzzle brakes are a good thing on light weight rifles that have a moderate/heavy recoil. Both of the rifles that I fitted with brakes fit me just fine and I chose the brake over changing the fit after adding a Limbsaver style recoil pad to the buttstock.
Yes,They make a gun loud as hell for anyone to the side or forward of the muzzle,and I always try not to shoot them when anybody is next to me at a range,but if someone started cussing me out about having them,they would probably wind up on their ass and bleeding!
When I first read this I didn't quite know how to respond. I broke my cherry killing our little yellow brothers in Vietnam and Southeast Asia as a sniper with L.R.R.P. teams operating in the Central Highlands, and I don't recall anyone ever referring to me as a sissy. I have been called a moron and other **** similar, but who hasn't.
I started this company almost 8 years ago building sniper rifles for other operators, and that has been the flagship of our company due to the fact that I did the damn job, and know how a sniper rifle must be designed & built (as lightweight as possible - some poor ******* has to hump the damn thing in the bush for God's sake!), and accurate (with the issue ammunition!). By chopping as much weight off of the rifles design as I can, I am making the rifle more man portable, but most definitely increasing the felt recoil. The same is true of the hunting rifle designs we are offering. As lightweight as I can make them, and hell for stout, but again increased felt recoil. As a rifle designer and builder, those are issues you address, or you are building nothing but "Safe Queens" because no one will shoot them much because of the recoil.
Tango I don't know how much experience you have shooting precision made, and accurate shooting medium and big bore magnums, but you will never be able to shoot one of our Spartan MK100 338 Lapua Magnum, or our Overlord 375 CheyTac rifles to the accuracy potential of the rifle without at least a muzzle brake to keep you from looking like you were sucker punched in the cheek because they hit, and they hit hard and fast. The first thing that happens is the shooter lifts his face off of the stock to protect it from the abuse, and accuracy suffers because if it.
Let me rephrase that last comment.
I think if you have to have a muzzle break on a rifle I think you need to step down to something with less recoil. There are exceptions to this like the 50bmg I will shoot anything But I ain't shooting one of them with out a break.
I apologize for the rash tone I took earlier.
I still cuss people who sit down next to me and start shooting their 900 super ultra loudenboomer with their muzzle break and start blowing my papers off my bench.
You sir state that you don't shoot them next to people and I respect that.
Look why not watch your tongue when you have no freeking clue what the hell your talking about.
Don't really care how big you are.
Bolo send me one of them rifles and I will have my buddy video me shooting it. Then I will send it all right back to ya.
I've got a little over a dozen of the Spartan MK100 338 Lapua Magnum sniper rifles here that need a good home. They weigh 10 lbs with everything except optics, ammunition, and a bipod (that's very lightweight for this type of rifle wouldn't you say?), and bite like a 243 Winchester! That is done by installing a muzzle brake, a spring and weight desgn recoil reducer, and a Decel pad.
You adopt one, and I'll get it right out to your local FFL Dealer, and don't let anyone call you a sissy for shooting it with a brake. A rifle with that much recoil, and that lightweight would be a bitch to shoot without one.
Jgant are you trying to pick a fight with a senior member here? How about go pound sand at some other forum and try to start some crap elsewhere. The above persons have settled their disputes and came to a some what agreement. If you want drama go check out the goddam soap opera channel or something!
I have hunted for over 50 years and have never been called a sissy for hunting with a muzzle brake. My wife might agree with moron for some of the chances I have taken in pursuit or bear and boar. At my age I doubt I could hold on to my 7MM Wby Mag without the brake and a souped up Kick Eze. I think someone is a moron if they stop doing something they love because part of their equipment gives them a little help. Where would golf be without the new ball designs and the Titanium Drivers and Hybrid clubs?
10# my varmint rifle weighs more than that.
I visited your site. Site design is sweet by the way. You also are building some very tempting rifles. But if my wife found out that I paid what you are asking (From the quality I see on the site not at all a bad price). she would use it on me, might not shoot me with it but she would sure use it as a club.
OK for all the wanna be's out there. I was having a bad day that day should I have said what I did no. Oh well. Bolo is a good member in good standing and I respect his authority on this matter. He might even get upgraded to supporting member next month. But he has to enter my drawing.
What drawing are you talking about brother?
I would suggest a smaller rifle.. An 06 will kill any animal in north America. As for muzzle brakes I will not hunt with anyone that uses one. Not meany good guides will allow them. Some ranges are not allowing them in my area. I use double hearing protection and still hate sitting next to someone using them. Most of the time I just leave. When you loose your hearing you quit hunting. Try this: a 300 Weatherby with 180 gr has +/- 3" MPBR of 326 yd. A 30-06 with LightMag 180 gr has +/- 3" MPBR of 294 yd. Both have way more energy than is needed to kill the toughest elk that ever walk the earth with a well placed shot.