243 vs 270

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by spacemonkey, Apr 15, 2010.

  1. spacemonkey

    spacemonkey New Member

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    i want to get into long range shooting. i would like to start with a rifle that is good up to 400yds and then move on to a bigger caliber so i don't have to learn everything on .308. i was thinking of 243 or 270 for the 200-400yd and 308 for the 600-1000yrd. any help would be great, just getting into this.....
     
  2. Missileman

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    Honestly, if you check the ballistic tables, the 270 is just as capable or more of long range target shooting as the 308--they both are capable of firing a 150 gr bullet at about 2850 fps, but the the ballistic coefficient of the 270 is better, so it retains higher velocity and drops less in flight. So, if yo were considering the 270, get it and you won't need to get a 308 later (although neither is an ideal 1000 yard weapon, the 308 is more common because of M1A/M14 long range matches). I assume you're only talking target shooting and not even thinking about hunting at those ranges.
     

  3. spacemonkey

    spacemonkey New Member

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    no way would i hunt anything but paper @ those ranges. i am not in the "i took a elk @ 400yd last week" crowd. i know it is possible, i just have ethics. i forgot to mention that i was on a budget. also would you recommend Remington or savage?
     
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  4. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    For the money, Savage.
     
  5. Missileman

    Missileman New Member

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    I agree, especially with their accu-trigger--although I've noticed their prices creeping up lately and are almost on par with Remington. Either one would be a great choice.
     
  6. spacemonkey

    spacemonkey New Member

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    is the accutrigger that good
     
  7. Centerfire

    Centerfire New Member

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    I have a Savage 3oo Win Mag with an accu-trigger. It is pretty cool. It is just one more thing to adjust and play with.
    Although I must admit that after adjusting it 1 time at the range, I have never touched it again.
     
  8. UnderFire

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    .243 and .270 ammo roughly runs about the same price. I would go with the .270 because it's a good general hunting caliber and can do the long range target shooting you're wanting to do. I believe you'll get more use out of a .270 rather than a .243.
     
  9. cpttango30

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    Why not take a stop in the forgotten middle with a quater bore and look at the 25-06. This is a superb medium rang caliber.

    Both Sierra and Hornady offer bullets from 75gr Varmint bullets to 120gr hunting bullets. Berger offers 87gr and 115gr match grade bullets.

    Granted you don't get the selection of either the 6mm or the 270 but the 25-06 is a great cartridge and I think it would fit your goals better than either a 243 or a 270...
     
  10. Winchester62a

    Winchester62a New Member

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    I used to do a lot of chuck shooting when I came out of Nam in 66..I'm a small guy so recoil was important to me..I used a 243 and loaded my own stuff..you might want to look at the trajectory tables and recoil tables from Chuck Hawkes..they would give you an idea as what to expect..the fellas gave you some great advice on this website!
     
  11. howquig

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    I have a rem 700 in .270 and I am very happy with the gun I have never had a problem with it and it is a nice flat shooting gun I have shot paper at 300 yds and got realy good groups and I am very new to the mid to long range shooting so in my opinion you can't go wrong with the remington....just my 2 cents
     
  12. greydog

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    Since it is your intent to shoot paper at longer ranges, it makes sense to get what will work best for the purpose; within your budget. Before I get to what that would be, I'd like to mention a couple of points. First, ballistic tables are of less importance than one might think. Balistic co-efficients and velocities are part of the picture but only a small part. Second, any rifle/cartridge combination works best when the shooter has spent some time at the range with it. Consequently, a cartridge which is economical and pleasant to shoot is a real plus.
    The 270, while a great hunting round, is not now and never has been a great target round. Barrel life is poor, it burns too much powder, and match bullets are rare.
    The 243 has some followers and works reasonably well when the rifle is set up to use thew long, VLD-type bullets. The only drawback to the 243 is the relatively short barrel life and the fact that some other cartridges are capable of better accuracy.
    Probably the best cartridge for use out to 600 yards for sure and possibly even to 1000 yards is, in my opinion, the 6MM BR using 105 to 107 grain bullets. A good rifle will shoot well under 1/2 minute of angle and what's more, the cartridge is so pleasant to shoot, it is more likely the shooter will be able to shoot it to this level of accuracy. Most loadings use right around 30 grains of powder so a pound goes a long way. The BC of the 107 grain bullets is very respectable and muzzle velocities are in the 2800- 2900 fps range. In general, the cartridge performs slightly better than a 308 using 155 grain Palma bullets and does so with less fuss.
    My second choice for the purpose described would be a 308. It has the benefit of ammunition availability which is nearly unmatched. It's accuracy potential approaches that of the 6BR but the much greater recoil makes it more difficult to shoot.
    My third choice (and it might be the second choice under some circumstances) would be one of the medium 6.5 mm chamberings. My personal favorite is the 6.5x55 with the 260 Remington a close second.
    The Savage "F" class rifle is a capable, affordable, and practical target rifle. Accuracy is excellent for an off-the-shelf rifle. It is available in a number of suitable chamberings including those I have mentioned. It would be a great choice for your planned usage.
    You might want to look into shooting "F" class. This shooting discipline, named for it's originator, George Farquharson, is essentially any rifle, any sight, fired prone from a rest or bipod. It is a great way to learn the capabilities of your rifle and yourself. GD
     
  13. Posit

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    greydog is dead on. The only stipulation I would make is if you are constrained financially, the 6mm BR and any of the non military 6.5s may cost a little more than the second choice - a .308. .308 will meet your stated needs quite nicely, and there are a lot of cartridge/bullet choices out there. In the interests of economy, I would look for a Savage (vs Remington) with a medium contour barrel.