243 or 22-250

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  1. rob1990

    rob1990 New Member

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    I have a friend looking for a fun target gun he likes the idea of how fast the 22-250 shoots but I happend to look at the 243 and it seems impressive plus there's lots of affordable 243s rite now.
     
  2. txpossum

    txpossum New Member

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    I realize this does not answer your question, but if he's just looking for a fun target gun, why not consider something like the Ruger 77/22, which would be a lot cheaper to shoot?

    If the two, if I were only shooting targets or small critters, otherwise known as varmints, I would choose the 22-250, but the .243 is a more all-around caliber.
     

  3. HockaLouis

    HockaLouis New Member

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    There is a 77/22 Magnum. The .22 magnum was designed to be a relatively inexpensive-shooting, easy, varmint gun six decades ago... It is known as a 125-yard gun though.

    txpossum's answer is decent advice.
     
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  4. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    might i suggest the Marlin XS7VH in 22-250 or 223? very accurate, very well made and decently priced.

    now as much as i like Rugers and have few, the Rugers are expensive. the 77/22 is going to run about $900-1000 MSRP. the Marlin has a MSRP of about $390. leaves a lot more for higher quality optics.

    just a suggestion.
     
  5. rob1990

    rob1990 New Member

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    Yea i like the marlins too. He dosnt want a 22mag he already has a 22lr he wants a bigger step. I suppose 223 is another option i was only thinking 243 because he could possibly hunt with it if he decided to.
     
  6. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    Marlin has the X7 series in 243 as well.
    the XS7 is the short action in 243, 7mm-08 and 308.
    the XL7 is the long action in 25-06, 270 and 30-06.
    the XS7VH is the heavy varmint barrel in 22-250, 223 and 308.

    the X7C is the camo stock version.
    the X7S is the stainless steel action and barrel verson.
    the X7Y is the youth version.
     
  7. kaido

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    I was having a similar toss up when I got my rifle. I was wanting something small that happened to be light on both my wallet and recoil. For obvious reasons I was thinking the .223 would fit the bill perfectly, but then I got to thinking.

    I've never hunted anything at this point so I had no idea if I ever would. After close to two months of thinking it over, I ended up with a .243. My reasoning? If I decided to hunt, I'd be able to take deer sized game since its the smallest legal round allowed in Canada for deer and up.

    The second reason is that it isn't an overly expensive caliber to shoot, maybe a dollar or so a shot. This meant that I'd still be able to shoot it on a semi-regular basis. There was also the recoils factor of it too. Even with 100gr pills it doesn't knock your socks off nor make you wish you went smaller.

    Now if you're buddy reloads, like I've started doing, he can start loading lighter bullets. I've found that even an 87gr pill cuts the recoil down a good bit. If he really wants to cut the recoil down, they make 55grainer that he could use.

    If he's like most shooters I know, including myself, he'll want to see how far out he can touch something and still maintain accuracy. A .22-250 is going to be effect a lot more then a .243 would be, it also doesn't come in anything heavier then I believe a 60ish grain bullet.

    All in all, the .243 seems like the safest bet to me. Sure you can get 40 rounds of .22-250 for the cost of 20 .243 rounds, but can you hunt deer sized game with it?
     
  8. blucoondawg

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    The question of can you hunt deer with a 22 cal varies by state here, in my state we can hunt deer with them
     
  9. lukeisme

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    I like both rounds. I have both. They both have their strong and weak points. For longer range shots on varmints the 22-250 is hard to beat. The 243 has just a bit more thump when it hits. Here in co that's about the smallest thing you can hunt deer with. So here that's an advantage. If I had to chose just one I would go with the 243 it's about as good a round as ever made for light skinned game those that live above or below ground. Reloading is easy for it. Even in this mess of a supply situation I can get bullets for it. Very forgiving on powder choice and primer choice. Light recoil great round!!
     
  10. jeepboy4life

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    I was in a similar predicament when I was looking into a varmint rifle, .22-250 or .243, I went with the .243 you can get hornaday superformance varmint loads and shoot the same trajectory with a .243 that you would get out of a .22-250. And plus you can still buy 100gr rounds and go out for white tail
     
  11. JimRau

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    I had a 22-250 which was an awesome gun (Rem 700 with a 22 inch full contour Douglas barrel and pillar bedded and floated stock (wood) with a 6.5x20 Leupold on it). I would shoot one hole 10 shot groups at 100 with about any load you would use. It was my go to prairie rat gun.
    BUT the reason I ended up with it was because a good friend of mine had two of these guns built, one 22-250 and one in 243 for varmint shooting. Well after using both guns for about a year (he was into the 500+ yard shots) he elected to keep the 243 and sold me the 22-250. Now I have made MANY 500+ yd shot on the 'rats' with the 22-250 the 243 was a better choice for the real long shots. I know this because we hunted several times together. Out to about 400 yds you could not tell the difference as they both would vaporize the rats!!!:cool:
     
  12. cottontop

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    .22-250?


    Ever use the .22-250 on deer?
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  13. JimRau

    JimRau Well-Known Member Supporter

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    NO
    I would NEVER use a varmint rifle for any big game hunting. I have to much respect of the animals!:(
     
  14. Squawk

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    Or maybe you don't have confidence in your shot placement. Taken one and seen many deer taken by .223 Fusion rounds. Mine went 15 yards and dropped with no further movement. How is that not humane?
     
  15. JimRau

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    No, I have been doing ballistic research and testing for the last 25+ years so I use facts and logic rather than myth and emotion to decide which caliber/bullet to use on the game I hunt!!!:rolleyes:
     
  16. Squawk

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    Roll your eyes all you want. And "no" to what? A well placed shot from a 22-250, .223 or .243 will kill a deer a lot quicker than a poor shot with a .30-30, .308 or .30-06. No emotion. No myth. Just a fact. Your science on the ballistics of a round mean nothing compared to the bucks mounted on the walls of me and my friends. And I'd say at least 5 were done with a 16" AR-15.

    Only one getting emotional here is you.
     
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  17. cottontop

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    Speer 70 grain.


    With the proper bullets, that .22-250 is no longer a varmint round, but a bonafide deer round. Speer makes a 70 grain .224 bullet designed exclusively for deer hunting and the .22-250/.220 Swift type cartridges. In my .225 Ruger custom #1 single shot, this bullet is sub MOA accurate. I would not not hesitate in a second to use it for deer or wild hogs. Actually, the only thing that would hold me back from carrying it deer hunting is its weight because of the heavy target barrel, not the .225 cartridge w/ the 70 grain Speer.
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  18. JimRau

    JimRau Well-Known Member Supporter

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    OK lets talk FACTS:
    223 70 gr SD .199 , 60 gr SD .171 Velocity 3000-3500 fps
    243 100 gr SD .242, 90 gr SD .217 Velocity 3000+ fps

    Minimum acceptable SD for big game bullets by ETHICAL hunters is .250.
    Even with the best premium bullets penetration would be EXTREMELY limited, thus those who chose these 'little' guns/calibers to hunt big game MUST limit their shots to a perfect presentation as any quartering shot would only wound the game.
    The high velocities will contribute to the rapid expansion (increase the probability of total bullet failure), thus lack of penetration.
    They also have relatively low BC's so they lose their velocity much faster than the more appropriate bullets would so you MUST also limit the range you shoot.
    Your arguments are made from a purely emotional mind set, just because it 'can' be done does not make it right.. Just because it is 'possible' does not mean it is 'probable'!
    I have NEVER said you could not harvest a deer humanly with a 243 as long as you are willing to use the discipline REQUIRED to limit it use to small deer, perfect presentation, at limited ranges. Even then there is little to no room for mistakes or misjudgement on the hunters part.
    NOW the point I have repeatedly made is:
    These little gun/calibers are not recommended for the average and/or beginning hunters. They are the ones who do not have the understanding of the limitations and the discipline to operate within these limitations so it is just common sense not to set them up for failure and to increase the probability of wounding/losing animals .
    This is especially true because there is no NEED for hunters of small stature to use these 'little' gun/calibers when there are MUCH BETTER options out there. The recoil, which is a prime consideration of small/beginning hunters, difference between a 260/7-08 and 243/223 is so slight, but the terminal performance to the 260/7-08 is FAR better than the 243/223.
    AGAIN NUFF SAID!!!
     
  19. Squawk

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    Your definition of ethical is your opinion. If the (insert animal) dies quickly, I don't care. That's humane. That's ethical. I love all you old timers. You have preserved the sport of hunting for us newcomers. For that I thank you. But science and hunting don't go hand in hand. Hunting is primal. It is not something you can measure with your ballistics info. Again. All numbers mean nothing compared to a dead animal that dies within seconds of bullet impact. And with the advance in bullet technology, just about anything besides a .22LR can be used in the state I live in for any legal hunting.

    I have dropped one deer in my life. Used .223 62gr Fusion round at about 60-70 yards. Went in left lung. Did not have an exit wound. Deer dropped within 15 yards. So I ask. How is that not humane? How is that not ethical?

    Please explain.
     
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  20. cottontop

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    no, not "nuff" said just yet.


    Are these "facts" from your 25 years or whatever of scientific research or did you just copy a bunch of numbers from a loading manual? OK, I can get facts and figures from loading manuals too. You said that "Minumum sectional density for big game bullets by ethical hunters is .250." If you believe that this is true then you have to agree with the following. My Speer Loading Manual #10, on page 142 states that the .243 105 grain spitzer bullet has a sectional density (SD) of .254! As I recall, .254 is greater than .250. So, based on your own figures, the .243 is an acceptable, adequate and not marginal deer round, especially when used with the Speer 105 grain bullet as it exceeds your magic .250 SD number. So, now don't you agree that the .243 is an adequate deer round and a good choice for deer or are you going to argue now with published facts and figures?;)
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