.243 on Elk?

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by cottontop, Dec 21, 2011.

  1. cottontop

    cottontop Guest

    On the elk rifle thread, one of the posters stated that any rifle from 6 mm up would work on elk. I believe he was implying that a 6mm round was not the best choice, but that it would work.
    I know that the general consensus is that a larger caliber is necessary for elk, but what is your opinion or experience on using a .243, 6 mm Rem., or a .240 Weatherby mag. for elk. If one were to use such a caliber, what load/bullet would you recommend?
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  2. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Honestly, I would not reccomend a .243 class of catridge for elk. CAN it? Sure. Elk have been taken with .22 LR. Should it? No. Too many wounded animals. I have a strong ethical sense about hunting. If I am gong to take the life of an animal, I will do it as quickly and painlessly as I can. IMHO, the .243 comes up short for doing that RELIABLY.
     

  3. hiwall

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    I agree with c3shooter. Why limit yourself only to shots that are ideal with that small caliber? I would never take the risk of wounding an animal with to small a caliber and/or risky shots. What a way to totally ruin a hunt.
     
  4. cottontop

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    I agree. I would not use a 6 mm on elk, and I doubt if I will ever go elk hunting anyway. I was just wondering if anyone had used it on elk and what the results were. I will have to assume that the largest game one should persue w/ the 6 mm/.243 would be deer.
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  5. king1138

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    I use a 270 win to hunt elk, and although it works, it seems rather small. When I shot my elk this year, it was a through and through shot to the lungs, and the animal dropped about 60 yards from where she was shot. However, there was very little damage to the lungs. So even with perfect shot placement, I would not feel confident in the 243 for dropping an elk. IMHO, 270 is the minimum for elk, and bigger is better.
     
  6. hardluk1

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    Might be a good time for a 308 class rifle. Still fine for southern hunting but enought energy and bullet weight for bigger game like elk.
     
  7. Wambli

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    Funny when you sak folks in places with plenty of elk (CO, etc.) many use calibers like .243 and find them perfectly suitable. I agree that if you have plenty of opportunities to go out hunting in your "backyard" AND you can afford to pass up less than ideal shots (and with a .243 I would only consider perfect broadside heart or low lung shots without shoulder bones in the way) AND if you are hunting an area where an elk traveling 50-100 yards after being shot will not be the difference between you finding him or having him hopelessly lost.... then .243 is perfectly suitable and so is a .223 with the right bullets for that matter.

    BUT if you have just a few days to hunt and you have spent a lot of money getting there AND the bull of a lifetime is 350 yards away with no hope of you getting any closer... Do you REALLY want a just .243 in your hands?

    Not me... I want at LEAST a .300 WinMag with a good 180+ gr. bullet to do the job.
     
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  8. gunnut07

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    A 243 Can't take out an Elk? HUH I guess we shouldn't tell this young lady that. SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY0w1c-gf18&feature=player_embedded]Kasandra Cow elk 688yds.mp4 - YouTube[/ame]
     
  9. cottontop

    cottontop Guest

    Wow!


    Now that's what I'm talkin' about!
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  10. c3shooter

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    That sir, is a $6,000 precision rifle, 10 lbs worth, shooting VLD Very Low Drag) bullets. A shot that would not be duplicated by the average hunting quality rifle and ammo.
     
  11. cottontop

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    good point, but...


    All of that may very well be, but the caliber is still .243.
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  12. 75370

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    I also don't recommend a .243 for elk.
    The most effective round I've used has been the 35 Whelen, it hits hard and doesn't bloodshot much meat.
     
  13. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    exactly, it's still a 243! still not an optimum caliber for elk. this is also way out of the normal way of things for rifle and shooter.
     
  14. Wambli

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    Perfect conditions, not a tree in sight, perfect broadside shot, very expensive custom rifle. custom ammo and a spotter all combined to take a 600+ yard shot that I can guarantee 99+% of the shooters in this forum have no business taking. Unfurtunately some dumbass with a $249 Walmarts .243 rifle loaded with Federal $12 bluebox ammo will look at this and go "see it can be done" and go try it because he thinks "shot placement" is the end all to the selection process...
     
  15. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i agree, a good shooter with a very expensive and accurate rifle can do wonders. exactly what i was thinking too. this is not the normal rifle and shooter, and definately not done with a walmart rifle and ammo!
     
  16. gunnut07

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    Didn't know you were putting limits on the rifle? Now your changing things to fit your views.

    She used what she had to take an elk at 688 yard.

    If you hunting elk why would you be using a Remington 770?

    A miss with a 399 extremeloudenboomer is the same as a miss with a 243. Shot placement is the single most important factor in hunting. I don't subscribe that you go out and sight your rifle in 2 weeks before the season and then hunt. You should be working all year long to make yourself better for the hunting season weather it is deer, elk, bear or squirrel.
     
  17. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    not putting limits on the rifle and that type of shot isn't typical by any means. and shot placement is very inportant regardless of caliber used. IMO, the 243 wasn't designed for elk hunting, it was made for smaller deer sized game and varmint hunting, from about a 55gr to about 105gr bullet. so even at the upper limits of bullet weight, even with a good bullet design, it's just not a prefered choice. it can be done, that was proven, but at that distance and that caliber, either they were very good or very lucky!
     
  18. cottontop

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    When it was all said and done
    The girl did have fun.
    She used a .243
    And all the gun nuts did see

    That elk sure went down
    She wasn't foolin' around
    Her shot placement was good and that was the key
    What difference does it make if there wasn't a tree?

    The gurus all said "it must be a trick."
    Because there wasn't any brush nor was the cover thick.
    She must have used some very expensive gun
    For otherwise it just can't be done.

    688 yards is just too far away
    It cannot be done on any given day.
    So what if she used an expensive gun
    Don't they all fire the same when all is said and done?

    But she did it with her little .243
    None of the gurus shouted with glee.
    We can't do it, so how can she?
    But she did it with her little .243.
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  19. Wambli

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    Really? What are you 12? Why don't you just stick out your tongue and post a picture of it. It would have saved you a lot of typing...
     
  20. Wambli

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    You are looking for a fight whrere there is none. A .243 as well as a .22 LR is perfectly capable of killing just about any beast on this planet in the hands of the right shooter/hunter. The problem is that 99.999% of shooters/hunters are not capable of these shots and these videos convince the idiots in the crowd that watch them (without any real knowledge to back up the deed) that THEY are capable of the same. That is my ONLY point. Carry on...