Somewhere, still packed away, I have some 9mm with a conical pointed, copper bullets, loaded to +P+ pressures. I saw another post the other evening on Ammunition forum where he had some German 9mm hollow point, solid copper 90 grain bullets Nato pressures. Over time there were several loading for 9mm in submachine guns, Lugers and other classes ,of stronger actions, of firearms loaded real hot. The hot 9mm +P+ rounds are my interest. First 9mm ammo is currently cheaper than most sources of .22 mag. The .22 mag 40 grain bullets are now downloaded to the 1900 fps raange from some like the former RWS loading of 40 grain bullets at 2200 fps and even 2300 fps in some longer barrels. Reasons for downloading I dunno but those kinds of velocities and heavier bullets really were outperforming little 17 gr and 20 gr 17 cal loads at 2500 fps and less.So cut the velocity so you can have reason for the .17 to be bought?? Anyway a hot loaded 90 grain or even 80 grain bullet to NATO pressures or higher would be in the 1800 fps or higher range in a twenty inch barrel. IMO without through research, just opinion. AND 9mm is cheaper. Does anyone make a 9mmNATO semi auto carbine or rifle? Second I find no 90 grain or other bullets, than Hornady and Sierra hollow points which are not compatible with the idea or a high pressure, high velocity, coyote or plinking or serious business round. It would be great to afford ammo and be able find it. 15.00 and more at most Retailers for .22 Magnum is and not in stock, is ridiculous.