22LR Vs FAC air

Discussion in '.22 Rifle/Rimfire Discussion' started by xf8u39, Jun 1, 2010.

  1. xf8u39

    xf8u39 New Member

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    Hi, I am relatively new to shooting and new to this forum. I am in the process of applying for a FAC. In the meantime I would like peoples views on the 22lr and FAC air rifles.
    I have heard stories about merits of both.

    I intend to shoot rats, squirrels and pigeons and the occasional rabbit. I have a number of questions before I spend my hard earned cash:

    What is the effective range of a 12ft/lb rifle for clean kills of the above quarry.

    Also, would a .177 be better than .22 as it has higher velocity?

    How much advanctage do you get from FAC air rifle?

    Are the .22LR as quiet as air rifles when silenced?

    Thanks in advance
     
  2. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    For the benefit of the American simpletons...What the heck is a FAC? I presume it is some sort of pellet rifle. The fact that you have to have a permit for a pellet rifle is simply dumfounding to me. You poor bastages stuck in the formerly merry old England. Your rights have been so stripped that you are now forced to ask for a permit for a freaking pellet gun? OMG!!!

    Wake up America. This is where we are headed.
     

  3. Jo da Plumbr

    Jo da Plumbr New Member

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    Firearms Acquisition Certificate
     
  4. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Thanks Jo. FAC, what a stupid concept. A government that does not trust its own citizens, is itself not trustworthy.
     
  5. c3shooter

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    A .22 LR with a good suppressor is quieter than a high energy air rifle. But thye also make suppressed air rifles, which are quieter- but you reach a point where either is quiet enough.

    For the air rifle, go for .22. The .177 may be faster, but penetration is minimal due to very light bullet.

    Accuracy? Air rifles may be more accurate, but either will be "minute of varmint"

    Range? I drop squirrels at a measured 45 yard distance with a 5mm Sheridan air rifle. 22 LR can reach about 100 yds IF you shoot that well. Head shots.

    For the rest of you mugs, do NOT harrass the man because he lives in a place with restrictive laws- give thanks that it is not you.
     
  6. JonM

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    used to hunt rabbits with a crossman that i got for xmas when i was 6 or 7. it was one much like this but of higher quality materials without fiber optic sights:
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    actually managed to wack a few armadillos with it.
     
  7. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Oh, I did not intend to harass him at all. I pity the man that has to live under such tyranny. I will use his plight to illustrate the fight we have before us.
     
  8. bgeddes

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    In Wisconsin? That is good shooting.
     
  9. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    no. i grew up in south texas. moved to the peoples republik of wisconsin 10 years ago. family business
     
  10. big shrek

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    It's a good thing England didn't get that stupid with gun laws before Hitler started knocking on their door...I'm still amazed the Gov't has forgotten already what a dedicated nutjob can do.

    But it's ok...sooner or later another will turn up to remind them. Those kind of leaders tend to promise "Change"...tend to be rather good at whipping a crowd into a frenzy...and focus on taking the rights of one group so that another can advance without restraint...and restricting firearms to government & police only...

    Remind you of anyone?

    :D
     
  11. xf8u39

    xf8u39 New Member

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    Thanks for the help. FYI here in UK you require a Fireaerm certificate for weapons such as .22LR
    The same license is also required for air rifles greater than 12ft/lb hence the question I asked yesterday.
    They also require two people to act as referees, how many times I use the toilet, the colour of my cat, and god knows what else.

    I didn't realise that this is a US forum, which isn't such a bad thing, for you guys are much more well versed with guns than us.
    And yes, I agree that the laws here are too restrictive, but I have to live with it.
    Anyway, I have looked at the merits of both guns and decided to go for .22LR
    Here's why:
    The guns are considerably cheaper than an equivalent FAC air rifle and the ammo is cheap.
    I also believe tha there are a range of cartridges available other than .22
    Does a NATO 5.56mm round fit too?
     
  12. ScottA

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    The NATO 5.56 fires approximately the same diameter bullet, but it is an entirely different animal. Google the cartridges and you'll see what I mean.

    You're definitely right on the cost. To get an air rifle with the equivalent performance of a .22, you'd likely have to spend 5 to 10 times as much. A Marlin Model 60 costs around $150 here in the US. I would likely have to buy a $600 air rifle to get the same capabilities.
     
  13. ScottA

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    The FAC sounds very similar to the Illinois FOID card (firearm owners identification card). You are not allowed to purchase firearms or ammunition without one if you are an Illinois resident. Brought to you by the Socialist Republic of Chicago. Many are hoping the Supreme Court will make that obsolete latter this summer.
     
  14. c3shooter

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    Re: versatility of .22 Ammo- Yes, there are several different rounds that will work. Howver, as the man said, 5.56 is not one of them.

    The .22 LR is a RIMFIRE cartridge. Firing pin pinches the rim against the chamber wall. 5.56 is not only a much larger bottlenecked case, but is a centerfire- firing pin strikes a primer located at center of rear of cartridge.

    Within the .22 rimfire family, there is the .22 Short, and .22 LR (the .22 Long is pretty much obsolete) There are also 22 BB cabs and CB caps- very low power, very quiet. There are also .22 shot cartridges, but of very limited range and effectiveness. (large roaches at 20 ft) the .22 Magnum does NOT interchange with other common .22s.

    A semi auto rifle will likely not cycle any ammo but what it was made for- commonly .22 Long Rifle- othe rounds may be fed by hand. A .22 bolt action will pretty well eat whatever you put in it. There ARE exceptions- Remington made a series of .22 autos that seems to digest anything that fits in the chamber.

    One of my .22 bolt guns is a WW II Mossberg 44US target rifle. With the right ammo, if I do my part, it will put 5 bullets in one slightly ragged hole at 100 meters. I LIKE that! PS- disregard the photo- wrong picture-
     

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