22lr HP

Discussion in 'Semi-Auto Handguns' started by BeyondTheBox, Jan 4, 2012.

  1. BeyondTheBox

    BeyondTheBox New Member

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    ... Any point to it (other than hollow, for you smart asses)? It's such a small caliber that, if not placed properly, it does little damage, comparitively speaking of course.

    Perhaps my assumption on hollow points is wrong, but my take, from the little I've learned, is that the purpose of a HP is to cause more damage than a standard FMJ.

    So I wonder, would any of you trust a 22lr pistol, if loaded with hollow points, for home defense? I'm betting the answer is no. So why, then, even bother making them. Do they really do any more damage than a run of the mill 22lr?

    Can any one give me a visual or any sort of tangible, layman, comparison to explain the results or balistics? How does it compare to say a 9mm FMJ?
     
  2. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    There are countless reasons to make/own "X" caliber handguns that have nothing to do with home defense. Just because the .22lr is not the "best" caliber for home defense does not make it a useless caliber. Assuming handguns are strictly for defense is playing right into the hand of the anti gunners.
     

  3. UrbanNinja

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    Ive often wondered the same thing too. Maybe ive been to ignorant to ever do any research on this question or maybe ive just thought it was silly. But the curiosity has always been there. The first time I seen the .22lr HP, I nearly crapped my pants in laughter. I bought the Remington "mega pack" to try something other than CCI, when I opened the box and seen HP's, I almost fell over in disbelief.

    Id like to add to this as well, ive never used .22 magnum, what is the benefits/differences with this as well, compared to the normal .22lr?
     
  4. BeyondTheBox

    BeyondTheBox New Member

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    You completely misread this, or perhaps, rather, read into what you wished.
     
  5. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Supply and demand has a lot to do with what the manufacturers put out.

    If someone determines an item will sell, then make it and sell it.
     
  6. BeyondTheBox

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    My father is a huge fan of 22mag cartridge but has to explain to me why or how it packs any more punch, but I've come to the understandong that if you put the term mag behind any caliber it stands for bigger bang in some capacity. I've never actually compared the different rounds side by side, my guess is, however, that I'd see that the "mag" cartridge was larger in some way with more powder behind it, or aomething to the effect.
     
  7. Paladin201

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    I've never seen any research data on the effectiveness of a 22 HP bullet over a standard solid lead bullet. But I doubt their is any significant difference. But that's immaterial if their is a perception amongst the public that it does. If people go to buy ammo and seek out hollow points, with the belief that they are much better for a given purpose, then the manufacturers are going to fill that need.
     
  8. partdeux

    partdeux Well-Known Member

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    how about in the hands of an elderly person... better then nothing.

    I know in my 9, JHP are more accurate than FMJ. I've never considered doing an accuracy test of .22LR HP v SP

    I can see some advantage in some limited cases to carrying the little P22 over something bigger. In the case of that picky eater, it's only getting solid points... it doesn't like any form of HP!
     
  9. UrbanNinja

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    My curiosity wants to know if the HP actually helps with expansion on a .22lr round? I mean, the orifice is smaller then the width of a sewing needle, can it really make that much difference?
     
  10. Gonzilla

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    I also picked up a Remington bulk pack of HP, 525, 36 gr. and was surprised how well they fed in my 22 autos. Accuracy was on par w 40 gr. lead. Range was short though, 50 ft. for pistol and 25 yds for rifle.
     
  11. Chandler51

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    I would suspect that velocity has more to do with expansion than the size of the "orifice"...have you seen the size of the opening on a M118LR round? Pretty sure they expand without problems. As for the .22LR, I can't say that the velocity is or is not sufficient for bullet expansion.
     
  12. jjfuller1

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    first, the HP vs the solid. when used properly can drastically change the effect on target. for instance, if i shoot a squirrel with a solid. it generally puts nice enter exit holes. with a .22 hp ive taken half the head apart. however. this is with small animals. on human sized targets i would say athe difference would be small.

    now onto the . 22lr vs 22 mag.
    the differences arent a lot however its enough that it can take small game at 100yrd or less with no problem. here is a photo of the difference in size. however i do not know the exact velocities, impact power numbers
     

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  13. kaido

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    I don't happen to have any left since I just shot my last couple rounds yesterday, but I do know what you mean when it comes to the tiny "hollow" wich looks like somebody just barely stuck a pen into the mold. However some have a pretty extensive hollow to them. I was using Winchesters Hyper Velocity rounds and a friend had some Federals (not sure wich ones) and we had some small travel sized coffee jars (plastic) set up about 25 or so yards away and when he would hit the. It wouldn't seem to do all to much. But when the winchesters would hit them they made a pretty good show. Either the lip would fly clean up into the air or the round would expand so quickly in the water that the back of the jar would be blown clean off.

    If I get the time and can find a small enough box of those Winchesters I'll make a video of both hitting those jars. Reason I want a smaller box is that since they where lead rounds id get some jams with them. But not enough to find them annoying.
     
  14. BeyondTheBox

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    Well regardless of why made, obviously supply/demand is an easy argument, though most likely invalid in this case, but why bought? If they weren't being bought they wouldn't continue to be made, the reverse side of S&D. Am I to believe that people pay the extra buck for a box of HP just because they're made or because they're that ignorant, ir us it because they really do make a difference? This is what I wonder.
     
  15. BeyondTheBox

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    That would be awesome man. I'm basically trying to convince myself to pick up a plinkin' gun, but I need more reason than just fun, there's got to be a practical application for me, such as possible personal or home defense back up. If there's a round that can be found to do enough damage I can justify the purchase. I know it's stupid, but it's how I work.
     
  16. kaido

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    I wouldn't call it stupid at all. But only thing is I'd be firing it out of a rifle and not a hand gun at all since I don had the proper papers for one.

    As for having a round for something other then just plunking, some people up here go out to farmers cow pastures and see if they can work out a deal for Xcents/gopher and other things like that. I've heard of farmers paying a dollar for gopher as well. But even if you don't get payed, can always take the kinds or your lady friend out do a fun time that isn't to expensive.
     
  17. c3shooter

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    The .22 LR develops it's max velocity (and energy) in about a 12 inch bbl. May I point out that they are used in both rifles AND in pistols?

    I hunt with .22 rifles. The standard 40 gr solid produces about 104 ft lbs of energy. A hypervelocity hollow point produces about 191 ft lbs. I would not consider almost doubling energy to be inconsequential. From a rifle, yes, they DO expand.

    The 22 Magnum is a larger diameter, jacketed bullet. Yes, it has a lot more energy. About 324 ft lbs.

    Would I CHOOSE a .22 pistol as my self defense round? No. Is it a decent hunting round for small game? Yep.
     
  18. dks7895

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    I like to hunt squirrels with the Winchester 555 bulk packs from Walmart. Big hollow point, and deadly on bushy tails. Get a Marlin 60 or 795 and go to town. Cheap optics are fine for rimfires.
     
  19. BeyondTheBox

    BeyondTheBox New Member

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    This is what I was looking for. So the 22 caliber is deadly, when fired from a long barrel... A rifle. But out of a handgun... Not so much. That makes sense. Thanks for the info. This was all good to know.

    Though it, unfortunately, leaves me without what I need to justify the purchase. I was looking at a 1911 platform piece chambered for. 22lr. But if it's only purpose is plinking it's just not enough. I've got plenty of plinkers.

    So what exactly do you hunt with a. 22 cal rifle?
     
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  20. dks7895

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    Squirrels.