223 wylde or 556

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by Copeman60, Jan 6, 2014.

  1. Copeman60

    Copeman60 New Member

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    I'm about half have done with my second ar build an now im in the hunt for a barrel. What are the advantages an disvantages when it comes to the 223 wylde. I found nothing but good reviews an postive things about 223 wylde. If it is as good as everyone says it is then why isn't there more info on the web about it. Please share ur knowledge an experience if u have any on the 233 wylde!!

    Thanks Dan

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  2. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    Barrel itself is more important. The chambering can't make a crappy barrel better

    That being said wylde is a scootch longer than 223 and a scootch shorter than 556. Can't go wrong with 556 or wylde, I find no need for a 223. Barrels from bcm or rra are good to go although the best bang for the buck accuracy are going to be the rra stainless wylde chamberings on their air gauged cryoed wilson barrels. The bcm barrels in 556 hammer forged and full chrome lining will give a fine combination of ohsht reliabilty and good accuracy
     

  3. Copeman60

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    I was thinking more on the stainless steel side. Wilson combat makes a sniper model in 20". I have in down to a 18 or 20 in in stainless steel just on the fence about getting a 556 or 223 wylde

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  4. BRL

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    Let me start off by saying that I have no personal experience whatsoever with a .223 Wlyde chamber...:eek:

    That said though, I do believe it is supposed to have a leade that is somewhat shorter than a 5.56 leade, but that is longer than a .223 leade, and was designed to allow the use of 5.56 NATO ammunition in it without causing a possibly dangerous overpressure situation that might occur by using the 5.56 NATO round in a .223 chamber.

    I will speak from personal experience in using a fluted Olympic 16" SUM 1:8 twist barrel with a .223 chamber and my own .223 reloads using a 52 grain Hornady HPBT Match bullet...FRIGGIN' TACK DRIVER!!! :eek:

    Of course I sold the rifle with that barrel long ago. :eek:

    These days I have a fluted Olympic 16" carbon steel 5.56 chambered 1:9 twist non-chrome barrel, and while it doesn't print quite a as tight as groups as that Stainless Ultra Match barrel did, (so far) it still prints very respectable groups, even with short (2.220 OAL) 40 grain Hornady V-MAX bullet reloads out of its 5.56 chamber. :cool:

    My $.02...Get the Wylde chamber.

    Chamber photo courtesy: Gun Digest Book of The AR-15 by Patrick Sweeney.

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  5. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    Wilson the barrel maker has nothing to do with the junk that comes from wilson combat. Two different companies.

    Avoid wilson combat. If you want a good really accurate ar get a rra in the predator series or their match rifles. Rra uses wilson barrels, again nothing to do with wilson combat
     
  6. gunny91

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    Wilson gets there barrels out sourced I used to work at storm lake barrels and we did 99 percent of there barrels ( on that same note the way they had us make them I didn't agree with cause I knew they was not right) but bill wilson no longer runs wilson combat his son dose

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  7. gunny91

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    My opinion would be check out daniel defence there number most accurate ar barrels on the market because there hammer forged

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  8. Copeman60

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    I'd like to stay around 250ish for a barrel. Maybe im asking to much with my price budget. That being said I guess im looking for a high quality 223 wylde barrel for around 250!! Daniel defense is a high quality company that comes with a high price! Dose rra make a wylde barrel either a 18 or 20"? Has to be stainless steel too.

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  9. Copeman60

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    I also run a Olympic arms barrel an lower on my other 16in ar. Not chrome lined or anything but gets the job done!!

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  10. hardluk1

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    I have a 16" 223 wylde chambered, 1:8 twist, chrome lined and polished barrel made by criterion ,a kreiger owned but separate production barrel company. Its very accurate with sub moa groups the standard with m193 ammo ana 1.5-6 power scope. I am beyond impress with it for a chrome bored barrel. But still priced 30 dollars above your budget. I bought it from brownells but out of stock right now.
    http://www.brownells.com/rifle-part...els/ar15-m16-criterion-barrels-prod54733.aspx
     
  11. dwmiller

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    http://www.blackholeweaponry.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=21&osCsid=7c9326a1b281f449ec445e6faa4d007a

    Lots of choices at your price range or just a touch higher. Great reputation for accuracy. Lots of custom options. 556 chambering combined with 1/8 twist, great combo for tackdriver accuracy... ;)

    Wylde chamber is really only needed, or shines, on target guns with handloads. Most of my past varmit builds are Wilson barrel 1/8 stainless with the wylde chamber 20-26" long. I am in the process of changing over to the above supplier for the custom finish options. The polygon rifling is supposed to be superior also. :D
     
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  12. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I have not had any accuracy issues shooting 223 in a 5.56x45 chamber.
     
  13. Sniper03

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    Copeman,

    My advise is go with a Rock River 18" or 20" 1:8 Twist Varmint Barrels. They are made by the Wilson Barrel Company and are some of the finest and most accurate barrels out there and the stainless barrels are Wylde Chambers. Very capable of doing 1/4 MOA Groups at 100 yards. I know! I have had two Rock River Arms 20" A-4 Varmint Rifles with the 20" Wylde Chamber (designed by BIll Wylde who was a very good match shooter.) He rifined the 5.56 NATO Chamber for precision match shooting. And did an excellent job.
    I have shot many a 1/4" and 1/2" group, depending on me, the day and the wind! And most shot with factory Federal P-223-E Federal 223 Ammunition. Depending on what you want the gun for makes a difference in the decision of the barrel length and and weight. If you want a Varmint or a Predator Rifle. If you want a Predator Rifle you should look at the Barrle RRA uses on the Predator Pursuite which has the Wylde Chamber and is in fact the same 20" Barrle that is used on the RRA National Match Rifles used at Camp Perry for the Nationals. The other good Predator Rifle is the Coyote Rifle and uppers. A Jon adivsed there is no relation of Wislon Barrel Company and Wilson Combat! Two seperate companies. Wilson barrels are some of the best!
    *The RRA Stainless 1:8 Barrels are also Air Guaged for pricse bores!

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  14. Copeman60

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    Thanks for your input!! A little out of my price range but I feel the extra $$ will be worth it.

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  15. Copeman60

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    Most guys don't care about sub moa but achieveing such accuracy is just part of the shooting sport to me.

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  16. hardluk1

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    Maybe sub moa is not needed but it sure as heck is nice to have barrel that will let you shoot at a high level. I have seen more than a couple RRA varments shoot some very small groups. I don't need the heavier barrel that rra / wilson barrels offers but sure did size them up is my only other choice. Do Not corn-fuzz Wilson barrels with Wilson combats subbed out barrels. I just wanted a very dependable barrel and have a hard time passing on something designed by Krieger even if it is a production barrel. Black hole will make a great barrel too if you can wait to get the one you want. good luck.
     
  17. dwmiller

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    The motto was if you can see it, you can hit it. Whatever "it" you want to define... ;)

    Sub moa accuracy IS what its all about! Moa may be fine for threegun and speed games but I varmit hunt at 500+ yards. The Wilson barrels are very capable of minute of prarie rat accuracy at 500 yards. My current testbed rifle is clocking 0.45moa with a 22" Wilson heavy 1/8 wylde chamber. This is with over 5000 rds through the barrel by the book, 5180 to be exact.

    My recommendations for blackrain above is based on the advice of others I trust. Plus getting to put 100 rds through a friends blackrain build. The base barrels are at the top of your price range, but these are custom made to order barrels. Personally I think they are a bargain at that price. Plus having the option of custom fluting and threading when you order... ;)
     
  18. Sodpod

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    I know there may be some who rag on me here... But my 20" fluted super bull from Rguns has never let me down! Yes they have long lead times but the product I received was well worth the wait. And easy on the pocket book.
     

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  19. Copeman60

    Copeman60 New Member

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    Made up my mind I'm going with the rra varmint 20'' ss wylde barrel. $270 isn't a bad deal on that. Guess ill try yo get a rra upper receiver an bolt carrier so everything is a nice fit.

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