[raiderman74]

I'm a newbie to shooting and I'm hooked. I just complete my first AR with Delton M4 upper and TM lower. I used PSA lower kit . Will there be an issue using this ammo in my AR?

 

[Quentin]

Can't be sure now. You'll have to buy a small amount and try it out.

 

[fireguy]

Buy a box and run it through it. If you like the way it runs and cleans afterward you can buy a larger amount then. The black box Wolf is produced in a different factory than the Wolf Military classic. I think the Military classic is a better round, not as dirty and seems more consistent. That said, I'm trying to use up all the cheap stuff I've bought over the years and replacing with brass cased ammo when it is on sale.

 

[Fixer]

DTi has an oversized gas port on most carbine barrels. Some people say thats "overgassed",.... some people say its correctly gasses for all types of ammo. The mil-spec gas port has issues with cheap ammo, low power ammo. Most commercial barrel manufacturers adjust the size to account for civilian ammo. DTi is one of them.

 

[okdonk]

My DD eats Wolf but spits Tula. Dont know why ;(. Since they are both cheap & Russian made.
Yes, buy 1-3 boxes to try them out. A box of Wolf only costs around $5 or less. A reminder, those ammo are dirtier tho.

 

[70cuda383]

Twice, I've had the bolt skip over the top of the round and fail to feed while using the steel case russian ammo. a quick re-rack of the charging handle and it was running again.

only ever happened with cheap russian steel case ammo. and that's twice out of maybe 500 rounds used.

 

[Gatoragn]

Twice, I've had the bolt skip over the top of the round and fail to feed while using the steel case russian ammo. a quick re-rack of the charging handle and it was running again.

only ever happened with cheap russian steel case ammo. and that's twice out of maybe 500 rounds used.

Sometimes this is due to a problem with the magazine, or combination of steel case and an imperfect mag. I have not had any FTF's with P Mag magazines.

When loading mags with Tula, it seems to me the cartridges are slightly harder to seat than Wolf or brass, maybe this also works in reverse when feeding.

Not trying to diagnose what happened in your quote above, just making sure the OP is aware.

 

[treehugger49]

You've got a brand new setup that hasn't been really tested or broken in.

Any issues you might run into by running the Wolf/Tula type ammo I'd put off until you have several hundred rounds of good, brass cased ammo to verify proper operation.

I my mind I'd rather be sure my rifle is operating correctly with good ammo before having to troubleshoot a problem that might just be related to a lesser quality ammo.

 

[70cuda383]

Sometimes this is due to a problem with the magazine, or combination of steel case and an imperfect mag. I have not had any FTF's with P Mag magazines.

When loading mags with Tula, it seems to me the cartridges are slightly harder to seat than Wolf or brass, maybe this also works in reverse when feeding.

Not trying to diagnose what happened in your quote above, just making sure the OP is aware.

fair enough. they were the "standard issue" type 30 round mags. not the plastic P-mags.

and I've had a BUNCH of ammo through the mags and my 20" AR with no problems whatsoever. switch to the steel case and 2 fail to feed in 500 or less rounds.

 

[MikeJK]

I LOVE CHEAP *** AMMUNTION!!!!

My ARs come from well respected companies that produce milspec rifles. They run great and have. In thousands of rounds there's been 1 short stroke (heavy buffer) and 2 hard primers. I also rarely clean my ARs. Run fast, hard, and put away wet.

Rarely have I seen and issue related to the ammunition. It's usually an out of spec chamber, bad mag, or out of tune buffer system.

 

[locutus]

If it soesn't run with Wolf, there's wrong with the gun.

 

[g17frantz]

My delton has shot everything.

 

[purehavoc]

Both my PSAs and my spikes runs wolf , tula or what ever else you can shove in it . No issues here and at less than $5 a box its pretty hard to beat , If my guns wont run it I know I have a gun problem , out of spec chamber, mag prob, too heavy buffer , is usually the first 3 that come to mind . If they wont run it I will move it on and get something else that will

 

[Fixer]

I must respectfully disagree.

Wolf is qulality ammo. If it doesn't run with Wolf, there
is something wrong with the weapon.

Holding a Glock a certain way??????

Hell, limp wrist any semi-auto, 1911, S&W, CZ whatever and it won't function.

That's why we teach proper hold in the classroon.

wolf quality ammo.. well I guess...really Ok. I'll check into that.

so you think and internal striker and an external hammer/transfer system is the same...

The point I was making is this. You get the result you are looking for when you want to prove you are correct.

I bet you are a great shooter... I could teach you a thing or two about science and machinery.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh9JhCyFFxA&feature=relmfu[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsewsolPyBU[/ame]

 

[Quentin]

wolf quality ammo.. well I guess...really Ok. I'll check into that.

so you think and internal striker and an external hammer/transfer system is the same...

The point I was making is this. You get the result you are looking for when you want to prove you are correct.

I bet you are a great shooter... I could teach you a thing or two about science and machinery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh9JhCyFFxA&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsewsolPyBU

How about physics? Forget about internal striker vs. external hammer, it stands to reason that a 38oz 5906 might cycle better limp wristed than a 21oz G17. And what does this have to do with steel case ammo anyway?

 

[Fixer]

How about physics? Forget about internal striker vs. external hammer, it stands to reason that a 38oz 5906 might cycle better limp wristed than a 21oz G17. And what does this have to do with steel case ammo anyway?

dwell. case expansion and contraction are factors in dwell. add some heat..even the slight cooling difference between waiting one second between shots and dumping a magazine... it matters alot.

 

[MikeJK]

dwell. case expansion and contraction are factors in dwell. add some heat..even the slight cooling difference between waiting one second between shots and dumping a magazine... it matters alot.

It matters for who? Non issue in my experience even in classes. I was in a class Sat morning. I brought out the 16" midlenght this time. Even the 14.5" midlengths run smooth as silk. Waiting 5 sec b/w rounds or less than a sec. Mag dumps, double taps, controlled pairs, whatever. Maybe I've been extremely lucky.

 

[Quentin]

How about physics? Forget about internal striker vs. external hammer, it stands to reason that a 38oz 5906 might cycle better limp wristed than a 21oz G17. And what does this have to do with steel case ammo anyway?

dwell. case expansion and contraction are factors in dwell. add some heat..even the slight cooling difference between waiting one second between shots and dumping a magazine... it matters alot.

Is that a reply to my post? I thought you were talking physics and inertia.

 

[Quentin]

My DD eats Wolf but spits Tula. Dont know why ;(. Since they are both cheap & Russian made...

Meant to ask earlier, what's the problem with Tula? Stuck cases?

 

[Tenderribbs]

Just bought 500 rds both of my AR eat them but my mini chokes on them. Go figure

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