.223 vs 22-250

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by johndeere, Dec 1, 2013.

  1. johndeere

    johndeere New Member

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    What are the pros and cons of these two rifles. Im lookin for the best all around gun for long and close shooting
     
  2. Txhillbilly

    Txhillbilly Active Member

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    It all depends on what your wanting to shoot JD. The 22-250 in a factory rifle will have a 1-12 twist mainly,and will only shoot 55gr and lighter bullets. A 223 can be had in a variety of barrel twist,and can shoot a wide range of bullet weight's from the lightest varmint bullet to the heavy match bullets.
    The 22-250 is a lot faster,but with that comes a shorter barrel life,as well as a more expensive cost for ammo whether you buy factory or handload.
    The 223 is cheaper to shoot,and unless the hoarders have hit the store,easy to find ammo anywhere.

    I've always been a 223 guy,and have no need in the 22-250.
     

  3. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    Hillbilly hit it spot on.

    i would choose the 22-250 if i reloaded and the 223 if i didn't.
     
  4. xring3

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    I have both...only wish I had the time to shoot either one.
     
  5. Txhillbilly

    Txhillbilly Active Member

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    If I ever build a 22-250,it'll have a 1-8 twist barrel.That thing would really throw those 75 gr AMax bullets a long ways fast.
     
  6. johndeere

    johndeere New Member

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    Im looking to shoot beavers coyotes foxes raccoons and skunks with either a 223 or 22-250 so im thinking about getting the 22-250 to shoot longer ranges for the coyotes but still be able to shoot close shots for the raccoons
     
  7. awahlster

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    You can load a 22-250 to match the ballistics of a .223 exactly. But you can't load a .223 to match the ability of a 22-250.

    Savage offers both a 1-9 and a 1-12 twist in 22-250

    1-9 is best for bullets up to 70grs

    1-12 is best for bullets up to 63grs

    Factory loaded ammo is much cheaper for .223 then .22-250 if you are reloading the two cost virtually the same to load with the .223 brass being cheaper to find. You will get about 5-6 reloads from a case with either.

    As to barrel life if you load a 22-250 to match a .223's performance the barrel life will be exactly the same. If you hot rod every round shot in a 22-250 you will be looking at reduced accuracy around 4000-5000 rds and a new barrel before 10K.

    I run my 22-250 with a 55 gr bullet at 3400fps and have no trouble with coyotes at 300 yards. I also shoot cotton tails with a 50gr SPSX Hornady varmit bullet (head shots only) some as close as 25 yards I use a load that throws the slug about 2700fps.

    That's all I know,
     
  8. Mercator

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    All around, the 223.

    The 22-250 is a specialty round for varmint hunting. It generally requires a longer and usually heavier barrel. It is not for high volume shooting. The expected barrel life is shorter (I have not shot one up, this is from the charts) Factory ammo is much more expensive, and the choices are fewer. Forget the AR or any semiauto carbines (except maybe an exotic)
     
  9. bntyhntr6975

    bntyhntr6975 New Member

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    I've got both, and the .223s (ARs) only get used for close stuff. The .22-250 (bolt) gets alot more use. I load my own for both so I cant comment much on factory slop, I mean factory stuff. The .22-250 is my go-to rifle. Whether its printing tiny groups at 100 or dinging the 400 and 650 gongs, or blowing up clay pigeons at 500. The .223 just dont cut it for me. My .223s seldom get shot past 200. To each their own tho.
    A buddy had a .223 Rem 700P that'd shoot nice groups, but just wouldnt consistently put coyotes down very far away. Now he uses a .22-250.
     
  10. Steel_Talon

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    VELOCITY:D

    Flatter trajectory, longer shots, more dead coyotes, crows, p-dogs....
    Biggest con for the 22-250...it's a barrel burner:mad:
     
  11. nitestalker

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    I would like to buy all those shot out 22-250 barrels. I really don't know how these "Legends" get started? We have unlimited varmint shooting here on the High Plains. Rifles really get a work out. It is rare to see any modern rifle shot out.
    The .223 is a fine medium range varmint round. I really have no use for shooting the bullets above 55 grs. on prairie Dogs or coyotes. The 22-250 simply has a larger engine and can push a bullet farther with more terminal energy. :)
     
  12. hairbear1

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    My son has a .223 and I have a .222 and a 22/250AI with a 1:12 twist.

    Both the .222 and .223 are good at small game up to foxes,Coyotes wild dogs and maybe small pigs using 50-55gn projectiles out to 250yds roughly but the 22/250 will give you an extra 100yds and deliver a bit more energy doing it.
    While your cranking the .222/.223 up to spit a 55gn projectile out at 3100-3300 fps a 22/250 will do the same job and spit it out faster and with more terminal energy at around 3600 fps.

    As for being a barrel burner I reckon cranking a .223 along at max velocity for a while won't do to much for barrel life either.

    I use my 22/250AI with 60gn Hornady Varmint projectiles for foxes out to 300+yds and we use the .222/.223 from 100yds out to around 250yds.
     
  13. SSGN_Doc

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    I had a .22-250 that I put a lot of rounds through and never saw a degrade in accuracy either. My shooting buddy had a .220 Swift that he rebarreled after accuracy fell off. I haven't seen the.22-250 eat up barrels that fast.
     
  14. nitestalker

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    Winchester's sales manager offered to buy all the worn out .220 Swift barrels 50 years ago. The facts are these barrels were not worn out but badly fouled. The throats usually had copper and carbon build up and never received proper cleaning. ;)
     
  15. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    Maybe the fact that I used Shooters Choice copper solvent after every couple hundred rounds made the difference in my results over his .220 Swift then.:D
     
  16. Steel_Talon

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    No legend here for me lol.

    Actually, what tends to go is the first couple of inches of the throat/chamber. When I couldn't afford a new barrel' I'd take the barrel cut off two inches chamber side, re-chamber it and continue to march on.
     
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  17. gunnut07

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    1 if you are only getting 5 loads out of 223 brass your doing it wrong. I have one batch of 500 that I have loaded 12 times and they still look brand new.

    I have had each. While the 22-250 is faster. I found all the ones I have owned to be very picky about what load it likes. My 223's on the other hand have all shot great with any load I put in them some loads just shoot a little bit better. I have killed varmints out to 500 yards with both. Terminal results are exactly the same red mist and guts flying every time. I too have burned out a few 22-250 barrels. A lot depends on how you shoot. If you shoot a high volume of rapid shots like sitting on a huge prairie dog town and you are banging away shooting 300 to 500 rounds in a day with little time for cool down you sure can burn out a 22-250 barrel. You can burn out a 223 barrel too but that takes a lot of work.
     
  18. toddchaney

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    They are both fine rounds, performance wise I guess you'd have to give it to the 22-250 but I think I would go with a .223 due to the availability and cost of ammo.
     
  19. nitestalker

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    You can make a 30-30 a "Barrel Burner" if you lack the knowledge to shoot rifles. Barrels are not ruined by their caliber. They are ruined by the owners who shoot them hot and do poor cleaning.:rolleyes:
     
  20. 303tom

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    You guys are missing the one biggest difference in these two rounds !......... The .22-250 is a full size cartridge, leaves no room what so ever for the lowly .223 to match up in any way shape or form................Unless you have a need to carry a lot of rounds !..............