223 remington

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by ZachRome, Dec 17, 2013.

  1. ZachRome

    ZachRome New Member

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    What's the best overall rifle you know of/have shot... Accuracy, reliability things like that? Mostly for turkey practice and hunting. I do not want an ar-15
     
  2. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    Most bolt actions are reliable and accurate.
     

  3. primer1

    primer1 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Do you have a price in mind?
     
  4. eatmydust

    eatmydust New Member

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    They are hard to find, because they are out of production, but if you can find a Savage Model 24, chambered in .223 over 12 ga., you have found the best turkey gun on earth, IMO.

    I have one and hunt with it in the Fall here in PA. It is heavy as all get out (8 lbs.+), but it gives you thye best of both worlds for turkey hunting!
     

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  5. magnumman

    magnumman New Member

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    My old man has one in .222/20ga mag. I have always loved the gun even though his is in pretty rough shape.
     
  6. dalefan88

    dalefan88 New Member

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    I like shooting my brother in laws mossberg MVP.
     
  7. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    There are plenty of good rifles out there. What bullet weight range are you looking at? Some rifles have 1:12 twist rate and handle lighter bullets better. Others have 1:9 twist and handle mid range bullets better. Some go to 1:7 and handle the heavier bullets better. I had a CZ 527 American 1:12 that would shoot cloverleafs with 45 grain bullets. I bought my grandson a Savage 10 1:9 and it would shoot 1/2 moa with 55 grain boat tail hand loads. My SIL sold his Rem 700 1:12 because the Savage out shot it. My current rifle is a Mossberg MVP 1:9 sporter weight. It takes AR magazines but smaller capacity mags are available I use 10's but I believe 4 and 5 round are available. It is sub moa with 55 and 62 which is all I have tried in it.
     
  8. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    Welllllll.... That leaves out the most accurate and reliable 223's if you don't want an ar15.

    Which means your stuck using a very very small selection of 55grain and 50 grain bullets and some 40 grainers. Bolt guns in 223 are almost always 1-12 twist to 1-14 twist unless you build from scratch. Even then they don't really compete with a good ar15 like a rra predator pursuit
     
  9. ZachRome

    ZachRome New Member

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    What is twist?
     
  10. gunnut07

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    Remington Model 700 VLS or MODEL 700 VSSF II, MODEL 700 VLSS THUMBHOLE. If you don't mine switching out the hollow Chinese plastic stock and you don't mine people laughing at you for the stupid triangle barrel get the MODEL 700 VTR in 223 it has a 1:9" twist.

    Or

    If you want a Salvage rifle you can go with The 12 FV 9" twist, 12 FCV, 12 VLPDBM comes in 7 or 9" twist, 12 BTCSS 9" twist or the 12 LRPV Left port This comes with a 7 or 9 twist. The model 25 isn't a bad gun either but they are not going to be as accurate as the 12 series. In fact all savage bolt guns in 223 offer no slower than a 1:9" twist. So let me here again about how there are no bolt guns with faster than a 12" twist?
     
  11. primer1

    primer1 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The rate of how the barrel imparts a spin on the bullet. A lower number is a faster twist, generally for heavier bullets.

    No disrespect, but do you own any rifles at all? If not, maybe start with a .22lr.
     
  12. forrest225

    forrest225 New Member

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    I always hear that savage makes an accurate rifle. I believe the remmies are accurate too, though if I were going to buy one i'd get a savage.
     
  13. jpattersonnh

    jpattersonnh Active Member

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    Jon, come on now. I sold my DCM because it could not keep up w/ my CZ527. Which BTW has a 1:9 twist, CIP chamber, so Military ammo is no issue, and lastly, it is a Mauser.

    OP, Cheap in a precision rifle does not work. I have no issue w/ accuracy in my CZ527 Varminter. 24" varmint contour barrel, 1:9 twist, so up to 65gr.(heaviest I use) are no issue. 50gr shoot just as well. The action was made to fit the cartridge, so it is much smaller and lighter then a standard action. It is called a Micro-Mauser. Just a wonderful rifle.

    527 Mauser bolt compared w/ standard action '98 Mauser.
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    6.5-20x42mmAO Sightron SII Big Sky makes 300 yards very easy on tiny targets.
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  14. Txhillbilly

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    Jon,I agree with J.P..
    My Savage 12 FLVSS will out shoot my RRA Varminter any day of the week,and twice on Sunday,with factory ammo,or hand loaded ammo tailored to each rifle.
    From 55 gr - 75 gr bullets,the Savage 12 FLVSS is one of my most accurate rifles in my arsenal. And,it has a 1-9 twist to the 1-8 of the RRA Varminter.

    There are some brands that still have the 1-12 twist rate,but most offer 1-7 / 1-8 / or 1-9 twist rates in at least a couple models.

    The OP needs to know what price range he wants to stay in,and that will help determine what brands/models are in his price range.
     
  15. jpattersonnh

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    Tx, You and I know that when you get into Varmint or Heavy barrels, it changes everything as far as twist. The Standard CZ527 American has a 1:12 as most sporter weight barrels do.