.223 Case shoulder damage

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by CamoToe1, Jan 8, 2013.

  1. CamoToe1

    CamoToe1 New Member

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    Just received my media, tumbler, case trimmer and dies. Cleaned about 250 cases and grabbed 5 to get the rcbs fl sizing die setup. Here's the photos...

    Pictures aren't great but the shoulders seem to be buckling/denting. I'm using rcbs lube on the lube pad. It's cold in the garage so the lube comes out like syrup. Too much lube? Too little? Directions said something about vent holes, but when I cleaned it I didn't notice any. Any help is appreciated.
     

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  2. kingrider

    kingrider New Member

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    Your probably using to much lube. Try putting a dime sized amount on the pad and working it in with a finger. You could also give your die a good cleaning with brake cleaner.
     

  3. CamoToe1

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    I think you are right. After cleaning the die again, I went real light on the lube. The brass looked much better. These are my first reloads. With any luck I'll be posting a range report this weekend.
     
  4. Trez

    Trez Well-Known Member

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    Yep, looks like to much lube...
    I prefer the wax to the lube pads
     
  5. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Too much lube generally causes wrinkles on the shoulder, not the body. That looks more like ejection dings. As long as they chamber, they will be fine.
     
  6. bamashooter68

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    I have seen .223 brass do this because of too much lubrication. Once you figure out you dont need very much lube at all you will love the pad.
     
  7. kingrider

    kingrider New Member

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    I took it as the problem came after resizing the cases not firing.
     
  8. unioncreek

    unioncreek New Member

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    Most often you see over lube damage on the shoulder.

    Bob
     
  9. CamoToe1

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    You are both correct. There are some dents on the body of the cases from the deflector but I was referring to the wrinkled shoulder. If you zoom in on the photos you can see them. The pictures aren't very good. They are very noticeable in person.
     
  10. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Gotcha. Dang mobile computing makes zoom difficult. Wrinkles on the shoulder are definately from excessive lube. I have used a variety of lubes over the years. I am hard headed and finally discovered Imperial Sizing Wax. It is pretty much everything it claims to be.
     
  11. Txhillbilly

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    Hard headed? Say it ain't so,I'd never thought that about you. LOL!!!!

    Imperial Sizing Wax is about the best lube on the planet. I've used that stuff for years.
     
  12. CamoToe1

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    Ok, tonight went MUCH better. I took some advice from the forum and only rolled a light amount of lube on the lower portion of the body. I then picked the case up and dabbed it straight down, making a ring in the pad. This put a very light coating around the mouth of the case. Not a single shoulder wrinkle or dent. Only slowed down a few times with stubborn primers. Adjusted the decapping rod down a 1/2 turn and no more issues.

    Got lucky and picked up the last in-stock lb of H335 in Central Illinois... If my deburring tool comes in, I'll be slinging lead this weekend!
     
  13. unioncreek

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    I quit using the pad and just put some lube on my hands like lotion. Pick three or four cases up at a time and work them around. Your hands get kind of messy, but after a couple hundred cases I wash them off and start sizing.

    Bobg
     
  14. dustinoif3

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    I don't understand why you guys are making such a mess!? Get the hornady spray lube! No mess and no stuck cases or wrinkles.
     
  15. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    I started using a lube pad years ago but when i started loading mass quantities its just easier less mess and hassle to use a soda flat box bottom that holds six packs and dump a ton of brass a few squirts of alcohol based spray lube shake and dump.

    If my hands werent clean and i wasnt careful on over lubing i found myself cleaning dies a lot. I havent used a lube pad in decades.
     
  16. Trez

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    The Hornady stuff is pretty good too....