.223 Ammo

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by markerdown, Sep 22, 2009.

  1. markerdown

    markerdown New Member

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    So now my rifle is ready for the range, and being new black gun owner, I need get some ammo. So many brands it makes my head spin. I'm just looking for a std 55gr fmj for now, about 200 rds for starters. Who has the best prices and what ammo should I stay away from. Thanks...............markerdown
     
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  2. FCross7

    FCross7 New Member

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    Natchez Shooters Supplies is running a sale on PMC .223 55gr. It's $7.99 a box, and $7.49 a box if you get at least 10 boxes. Thats the cheapest I've seen in a while.

    -Fred
     

  3. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    Stay away from Wolf.

    Ultramax makes Remington reloads commercially. Box of 150 runs about $70. Reasonable accuracy and good for plinking.
     
  4. M14sRock

    M14sRock New Member

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    I have not seen a better deal lately than the one on PMC from Natchez.

    But I shoot tons of Wolf for practice and it is good stuff. I never leave a live round in the chamber if I have "heated it up". I've had the polymer coating melt and stick to the chamber walls. Then, after it cools down and that round is fired the case will stick in the chamber. But Wolf is fine and dandy for practice.
     
  5. m72law

    m72law New Member

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    AIMsurplus has US mfr. .223 55grn FMJ ammo 500rd for 174.95+shipping which theyre shipping is the cheapest around...heck..it almost cost me that much to reload 223's..:/
     
  6. layton

    layton New Member

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    Well, I bought 1000 rounds of PMC 55gr FMC for 400.00 total shipping included. Picked up my mini-14 and was going to outside range today, but was raining cats and dogs, so shot at the indoor range and all they had was 50 yard range, not the best for open sights, the lighting was dim, could not see the front sight clear, but the rifle fire good with no problems, it took the 100 round drum and the rounds with no problem with rapid fire. Will take it to a 300 yard range where I can see the sights clear, but overall the performance was good with no problems at all with 200 rounds through it.

    I got the rounds online at Woodbury Outfitters.

    Layton
     
  7. NGIB

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    I truly wish Natchez would ship to GA but they don't. The last batch I got was from ammoman for brass cased PRVI ammo (1000 rounds) and it was $389 shipped...
     
  8. slowryde45

    slowryde45 New Member

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    Here's another outfit, that has warehouses on both West and East coast.

    Outdoor Marksman - Ammunition » Rifle Ammo » 223 Remington

    I've bought from the one here on the West coast, since it is local right here in Oregon. They usually have about 20 tables of ammo at all the local gun shows, too. Alot of variety, and their prices are decent. Not the cheapest around, but they do run specials, so it pays to check them out.

    Slo
     
  9. Txhillbilly

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    I usually keep about 5-10K rds of Wolf 62 & 75gr HP ammo stocked up for plinking & range ammo. There is nothing wrong with it.It may not be the most accurate ammo out there but for just hitting paper and general shooting it is good ammo.
    I have shot countless rds of Wolf from AR's,Mini 14's,Saiga's,and Bolt Action rifles and have never had a single problem with either the old or new coatings or the steel cases.

    People just hear this crap and start rumors about stuff,and most don't have a clue about what they are talking about. If it was half as bad as most the rumors say,there would be pallets of this ammo setting in the back rooms of every place that sells ammo.

    Go ahead and stay away from the Wolf ammo,It just leaves more for me to buy and shoot,and I don't have to spend time reloading my brass with expensive Hornady 75gr Amax's,Primers,and Powder.
     
  10. Lupo

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    How much ammo do ya'll keep in your home stock of .223 that is brassed cased? Also anyone know any good deals on 62gr .223? and what is grain exactly?
     
  11. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    A grain is a unit of weight. 7000 grains = 1 pound

    25K of 5.56/.223 is a nice start.
     
  12. m72law

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    my bushmasters will not shoot wolf...jams after the 4th or so round...:/my bwk92 norinco loves it...im just glad i bought most my 223 & 5.56 ammo a few years back (1000rds) of lake city for 150.00:).i just dont get why 223's are so much higher then 7.62x39's?(215.00 1000rds)so wtf gives?i know there is more ak and what not type rifles chambered for this round out there...but they are companys out there making the black rifles as fast as we can shoot...@under 700bucks for them black rifles i would think the 223 ammo would be just as cheap if not cheaper then 7.62x39's being they hold a little less powder and the bullet..being lead & some kind of bi-metal copper bullets weigh less & more people being able to afford the ar-type rifles more..?i just dont get it?...think god the buying frenzy is starting to die off some...minus a primer scarce.:eek:..only 100,000+ rds of 19 diffrent calibers here....dang i got to start reloading again SOON!
     
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  13. RL357Mag

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    The problem with steel cased ammo is that steel does not expand as much, nor as quickly as brass. Why is this a problem? Because it is the momentary expansion of the case that locks it to the chamber wall until pressure drops at which time the case retracts. With a brass case, the brass expands completely thereby preventing the case from moving rearward into the boltface. Simple physics tells us that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, meaning that the case wants to move rearward with the same velocity as the bullet moves forward. Obviously the bolt prevents this from happening, but constant slamming of the bolt by the case is NOT a good thing! This is the main reason many manufacturers will void their warranty when steel cased ammo is used, the other reason is the laquer deposits on the chamber walls.
     
  14. zhuk

    zhuk New Member

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    How do you guys get .223 so cheap? Wolf goes for about $12/20 rounds down here :(

    No wonder so many people reload.
     
  15. M14sRock

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    Two years ago I was buying Rem UMC .223 at Big 5 for $3.99 per 20. We were spoiled for a great many years by reasonably priced ammo.
     
  16. crockett007

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    I understand your comments because Wolf works in YOUR rifle. In many AR's, it doesn't run reliably because of the steel case. Also, many manufacturers state that if you run this ammo, your warranty is void.

    My DPMS will NOT run Wolf, my friend's Bushmaster will. The DPMS likes brass cases and runs all brass 223 without issues. Some people do know what they are talking about when they bash Wolf ammo. The usual failure mode is FTE, the empty case sticking in the chamber.

    Another option is Silver Bear, which is Zinc coated over steel case. These seem to run better, but there are still function issues reported with Silver Bear.
     
  17. TXnorton

    TXnorton New Member

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    I keep at least a 1,000 rounds of brass cased (mostly my own reloads) and 1,000 rounds of Wolf polymer coated.

    The "grains" is the weight of the bullet. 7,000 grains = 1 pound weight
     
  18. slowryde45

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    +1 Tx.

    Maybe there are a few out there who's guns do choke on it for whatever reason, but I only had one that had problems, a RRA. But I tried it again a few weeks ago with a fresh case of POLYMER coated Wolf (not sure if you can even still find the lacquer coated cases around here anyway) and had no problems with it.

    Between you and me, I'd be more concerned if my GO-TO, SHTF, main weapon would NOT function with a particular type of ammo. Should that time come, you may not have the luxury of choosing what type in a particular caliber.:eek: As for the AR's that I have used it in, they range from DPMS, STAG, RRA, BUSHy's, to higher end models, including Noveske, LMT, and Sabre Defence models. All have handled it just fine, with little to no fuss at all. That could just be blind luck, but no BS. I haven't done anything any different to the mags, uppers, barrel/chambers, nada.

    But for those who don't want to try it, or due to Mfg. Warranty issues, then don't. I've read many test reports/gun reviews written by well known gun enthusiasts/writers/users/etc, who quite often use Wolf in their range tests, to give a wider assesment of what that particular gun is capable of with assorted ammunition. I haven't read many, that report any kind of failures due to Wolf ammo. Not saying that there aren't any, just have not read about very many, except - on the WWW. Some even say it is dirtier? Well, don't you clean your guns after shooting anyway? ;)

    Try it in your own guns, if it works, hey - it's cheaper than just about anything else out there for plinking/target practice/etc. If it doesn't, then at least you have something to base it on, as far as not shooting it. If it does get stuck, a tap on the end of a cleaning rod will pop the shell out. I've yet to hear of any low-yield, thermal nuke melt-downs from using it in any AR's yet.:cool:

    Just my .02, your mileage may vary.
    Slo
     
  19. Gus556

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    I had a Bushmaster A2 that would jam up with wolf ammo. I did not like the idea of not being able to use any .223/5.56 I could come across so I sold the upper to a friend who would not use wolf and I bought a Fulton Armory NM A2 Upper and I can shoot anything out of that.
    I have yet to have a problem shooting Wolf ammo (I like to go dirt squirtin quite a bit) but you do have to clean thoroughly after use.
    I have quite a bit stored for a bad time.
     
  20. TXnorton

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    Gus - As I have previously noted in other Wolf related threads, my brother's Bushmaster would not cycle Wolf either. But the Wolf ammo works fine in my new RRA 16" and my very old Colt SP-1 20". IMHO, if it works in your AR, use it as it is less expensive than reloading. If it doesn't work for you, then shoot something else.