.22 rimfire vs. Air rifle for suburban settings

Discussion in '.22 Rifle/Rimfire Discussion' started by gunkid9mm, Nov 24, 2011.

  1. gunkid9mm

    gunkid9mm New Member

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    I want to know your guys opinions on which would be better in sub-urban situations. What I mean by that is pest control/recreational hunting in my backyard with lots of houses around me. Given the fact that I am doing my part to be a safe hunter and following the local laws, for birds rabbits and squirls, would I be better off getting a decent air gun, or would a .22 lr be the way to go.
    Would a .22 lr be too loud? Would an air rifle produce enough ft-lb to kill a squirl/rabbit My price range is around $100.
     
  2. HOSSFLY

    HOSSFLY New Member

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    I think a 22 would be too loud but dont know how your neighbors are?
    But i'm fairly sure you wont find a air rifle strong enuff to kill much for $100 -
    The really good ones costs more than a dern "real" rifle :confused:
    Mabe if you find a 22 that will shoot 22 shorts?
     

  3. Vincine

    Vincine New Member

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    I lived in Queens in NYC when I was young. When I was 12 or 13 I shot pigeons for a neighbor whose roof and windowsills they were fouling. I had a Crossman single shot .177 CO2 pistol. I would hit them, they would fall off the roof, hit the pavement and die. I believe the falls are what killed them. Nobody complained because there wasn’t any noise and they were glad to be rid of the pests. The birds took the hint after about a dozen or so kills and left.
    How big is your backyard? How close are you to your neighbors? A .22 could kill someone if it hit them in the right place. It can be a lethal round. It would be a wounding round. And it could be a big problem for you even if no one’s hurt. Is there something like an ‘Unauthorized discharge of a firearm law’ where you live? All you’d ‘need’ is a nearby neighbor who doesn’t want someone shooting guns next door or on their street. Generally speaking I think people tend to get upset when someone's firing guns in populated areas unless it’s in some kind of a range set up or facility.

    I don’t think a .177 would always immediately kill some of the animals you mentioned. I’d suggest you take a good look at the .22 caliber hunting air rifles. They’re quiet, would be lethal for the rabbits, not for the people, and subject you to a lot less liability. You may have to spend between $100 & $200, but your ammunition cost for pellets will be about half the cost of .22 bullets.
     
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  4. big shrek

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    Some of the newer air rifles are as fast in FPS as .22's at close ranges...and can be just as deadly.
    Care in shot placement and ensuring your backstop are highly important. Safety first!

    That being said, I'd chat with the neighbors before buying anything...just to find out where they stand on the varmint issue.
    Last thing you wanna have is a PETA Nut living next door, while you're popping squirrels & whatnot out of the trees.
    Bad Juju. Very Bad Juju. Whether with an air gun, slingshot, or a .22lr :(

    Then ya check local laws...like Vincine sez :)

    Once all that's resolved...then you start figuring out whether you are a pistol guy or a rifle guy.
    Some folks are naturally better at one or the other...or have had more training...which makes a difference.

    Then with the info from the neighbors/legal restrictions learned, you then pick air-gun or firearm.
    If you want to be REALLY nice, and everything is in agreement with firearms, PUT A CAN ON IT!
    $200 tax stamp is WELL worth the benefits of less firearm noise when dealing with neighbors...

    My fav pistol for close-up snake/squirrel/rat squishing is a High Standard model B with Aguila subsonic loads.
    Nice & quiet, & High Standard is well known for VERY precise pistols, they beat heck outta Ruger Marks & Browning Buckmarks.

    I've got a Marlin 925M (.22WMR) bolt-action with scope for long-range rabbit/coyote/other varmint work in my gardens...
    up to 150 yards of KZ covered completely :D
     
  5. JonM

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    i shoot rabbits in my back yard using my bear montana 50# longbow. i use these arrow heads for rabbits:

    its called a bludgeon small game arrow head.

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    using this type of fletching with the above arrow head works great for birds and squirrels. its called flu-flu fletching

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    i dont hunt squirrels or birds but i know people who do so. the arrows in either case dont go far at all. its quiet and safe to use in the backyard.

    basically if your going to shoot in the air use a flu-flu regular fletching for ground targets. the flu-flu keeps the arrow from disappearing into the ether. it will only go 20-30 yards or so depending on poundage of the bow
     
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  6. HotFudge

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    .177 cal pellet guns are alittle on the weak side, but they'll drop squirrels and birds pretty easy with a headshot. IDK about rabbits but I've bagged a skunk that was messing around in my garbage before. A .22 pellet gun would be better for a suburban area where you won't always have time or room to line out a good headshot.
     
  7. c3shooter

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    A lot of good advice already given. A .22 loaded with CCI CB Longs is quieter than an air rifle. You will hear the bullet hit. Really. Youth Model Remington bolt action .22 going on sale at 6 AM at Bass Pro shops for $99.

    I have a 5mm air rifle (Sheridan) that will drop a squirrel like a bad habit at 45 yards. The GOOD high powered 22s will do the same. Here's the bad news- that ain't a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun, it is WELL over $100, and unless it has a suppressor, it is LOUD.

    And pay attention to the folks up there ^^^
     
  8. Vincine

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    I forgot to say don't use BBs. Use pellets. BBs will ricochet like crazy off a rock or hard surface. Pellets not so much. I don't know about .22 bullets.
     
  9. moron88

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    a good number of modern air rifles have the power but as said, they can cost a pretty penny and then some. they cost so dang much do to the fact that the power is the gun, not the cartridge (for those that didnt know). is the $100 firm or is there wiggle room? i can name 2 at or under the $100 mark but i can name 12 in the <$150 and even more at $200.
     
  10. dteed4094

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    In the past I had a fair success rate using a Daisey 760 BB gun to keep the rabbit population under control on my part of the block. I live in an area where the next door neighbors are within 30 - 50 feet and about 200 feet at the back yard. My longest kill was about 150 ft. but that was probably more luck than skill. After having to stock a rabbit that was hit poorly through the neighbors yard I felt I needed something more accurate and more powerful. I went to Wally World and picked up a Crossman Phantom 177 pellet rifle. I was amazed by the accuracy and it didnt lack power. For the $80 I spent on it I am very pleased with the proformance. I also found the high velocity pellets were not the best to use on rabbits as they didnt seem to be as accurate. I'm sure there are much better air rifles but the Phantom seems to be very adaquate for the ranges I shoot.
     
  11. ninjatoth

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    You are going to spend alot less money and have alot better gun in the long run with a rimfire and some CB longs(or shorts)or even the 20gr Aguila super colibri if they don't squib in your barrel,but I would check your township ordinances,you might be prohibited from firing a firearm in your area,if so the pellet gun would be the way to go since it's not a "firearm".
     
  12. winds-of-change

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    Are you sure it's even legal to shoot any of those guns, even pellet guns, in a neighborhood setting like you described? It's not legal where I live.
     
  13. moron88

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    check the state law. here, airguns ARE considered firearms.
     
  14. big shrek

    big shrek Well-Known Member

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    I agree, as a long-time Archery fanatic, but it takes quite awhile for the average Joe to learn how to shoot a bow well enough to hit resting birds or squirrels...
    learning to hit those on the move...is a whole other skillset...
     
  15. big shrek

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    Being a cheapskate, a Marlin 795 will be a really good bet for the $100 range...very precise for the money...
    the Micro-groove rifling & proper ammo selection make it hard to beat until you get into CZ & Browning territory.

    Of course, the location the OP is in makes all the difference.
     
  16. Vincine

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    We don't know where you live. I found out that, except in NYC, airguns aren't firearms in NYS (basically, no fire).

    However:
    "You must have a NYS DEC small game license to legally hunt squirrel. You must pass an approved hunter ed. course to be eligible to buy a license."

    I think there is exception for pests. I don't know what a 'pest' is. I think it's used by farmers on their own land.

    So even if you can have & shoot an airgun, you might not be allowed to 'hunt' with it. Maybe it only applies if you're not on your own land. I don't know.

    But this is just NYS.
     
  17. gunkid9mm

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    I live in Illinois, a suburb of chicago. Found out that its not leagle to use any centerfire or rimfire guns in my village, (orland park). So now Im hunting for a decent airgun, but im glad i got so much info and opinions about low powered .22s. I am still gonna buy a .22 lr, i just cant shoot it in the backyard, at least not as long as i live here.
     
  18. ninjatoth

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    Well,they are and they aren't.Michigan does classify PELLET guns as firearms,but not .177 cal bb airguns,You can buy a pellet rifle over the counter with no background check,and the atf isn't going to come look for you if you make a homemade suppressor for it;)
     
  19. Vincine

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  20. ACRhino

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    Get a acrossman 2250. Odds are discharging a firearm in your city limits is illegal and you will be deeply screwed. There is a reason there are zoning laws for firearms.