.22 mag vs. .17 hmr

Discussion in '.22 Rifle/Rimfire Discussion' started by JonathanGlass, Aug 7, 2010.

  1. JonathanGlass

    JonathanGlass New Member

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    I started browsing some guns since I want to ask for one for my b-day or christmas, I figured I pretty much have the deer rifles I need, so why not get a good rimfire rifle. My brother has a .17 hmr and i've seen what it can do, and my friend has a .22 mag and i've seen what it's capable of as well. But i'm kinda leaning toward the .17 hmr after reading this article, Compared: .17 HMR and .22 WMR (Magnum). I just wanted to see what your guys's opinions are on these and what recommendations you may have, and maybe a specific brand or model, I would like to maybe use the 17 grn v-max in the article but still haven't looked at bullets yet.
     
  2. Chortdraw

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    We just came back from sighting in our 1022 rugers and my buddy's Savage .17 with the bull barrel. This gun is extremely accurate. After we sighted it in at 50 yards we shot it out to 217 yards with the first mill dot below the cross hairs and was center punching a soda can. It is a loud gun but at that speed what can you expect? Very nice gun, (no recoil) and I was really impressed:D The tree rats are going to pay this year. No place to hide!!!:eek:
     

  3. stalkingbear

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    It all depends on what you're going to use it for. I personally didn't have much use for the .17HMR until they came out with a game bullet load. As it originally came out the 17HMR was too destructive on edible small game with anything but a head shot. I've seen yotes run off after being hit solidly in the boiler room with the 17HMR, only to be found later on the same farm or the next farm over. For bigger varmints the .22 mag is superior IMO. Where the 17 shines is accuracy and provides a flat trajectory. Me-I'll just stick with my .22LRs or .22Mags.
     
  4. JonathanGlass

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    I'll be using it on rabbits, squirrels some, but mainly groundhogs, and foxes. And yes, of course only head shots on rabbits and squirrels.
     
  5. wjkuleck

    wjkuleck Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Of course, you might consider a firearm that has both .22WMR and .17HMR barrels, such as this one of mine:

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    Regards,

    Walt
     
  6. JonathanGlass

    JonathanGlass New Member

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    umm...no thanks
     
  7. Gojubrian

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    Well, that would be fun, but not a hunting gun,lol.

    I like the .17hmr over the .22mag. :)
     
  8. wjkuleck

    wjkuleck Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    You just have to build a bigger tree stand.

    I prefer the .17HMR too...with the bottleneck and one in five red tipped, .17HMR looks very "right" with Ma Duece.

    Regards,

    Walt
     
  9. wjkuleck

    wjkuleck Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Seriously, though...

    Seriously, there are a number of platforms that allow barrel interchange: Ruger 77/22 Mag, Ruger 10/22 Mag, and there's a CZ with multiple barrels. I kinda like the "having your cake..." possibilities.

    Regards,

    Walt
     
  10. Txhillbilly

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    I guess I'm just too old fashioned,and like the good ole trusty 22WMR. I've been shooting one since I was a kid,and see really no advantage of the 17 caliber over the 22WMR except FPS,and I've never been a bullet speed freak.

    The wind will play havoc with that little 17 bullet alot more than the heavier 22WMR.
     
  11. TheSadPanda

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    My vote goes for the .17HMR. I love mine like its family :) just don't shoot that squirrel in the gut on accident. It's just nasty to deal with
     
  12. Jeehs

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    I agree with some of the other guys, My Vote's for the .22 Mag. Really, if your a good shot with the .22 Mag, you can take anything from squrriels to Deer. I used to know an Old-Fashion Ablabamian man, I bet you he killed more deer with headshots from a .22 Mag than most people ever kill at all.
     
  13. JonathanGlass

    JonathanGlass New Member

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    .22 mag for deer? umm...not for me, to me it's like shooting a deer with a field point
     
  14. Jeehs

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    I never saw him do it, But he has pictures of him with dead Bucks, Trusty little single-shot .22 mag in hand. Ive heard so many stories about that and know it's possible because a freind of mine took a Doe last season with a .22LR.

    Now I'm not saying you should use a .22 Mag for deer, But should you have too, You know you can.
     
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  15. tuck2

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    I live in prairie dog country. Started shooting them with a 22 RF back in 1949. Sometime later got a 22WMR to use with the 22 RF rifle. When the 17 HMR first came out got one . I liked the 17 HMR so I had to try out the 17 HM2 rifle. Now the 22 s stay at home when I go out spring prairie dog hunting. I dont use them for shooting bigger varmints, but for shooting prairie dogs ,there the best. For shots beyond the range of the 17 HMR i,m trying out a 17 Fireball rifle and so far like it. For yotes I use a 22 -250 and 220 Swift ,the 17 RF bullets would not have the energy or range for clean kills on yotes for the way I hunt them.
     
  16. DrumJunkie

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    I have a 17 HMR (Savage) and I'll have to agree with bear. It's a flat flying round and will cover some ground but it's hell on the small woodland creatures. My Father in law likes to get his 22 mag out and try to shoot 12 gauge hulls out at 100 yards. My 17 can make that shot pretty easily but you have to watch close as the hull held up by a stick wont hardly move when the 17 hits it. The 22 mag will bounce it around some. I think it's bullet shape that makes the difference there though. As a target round the 17 is great. if there isn't too much wind 200 yards is a make-able target.

    The round I'm wanting to try now is the 17-M2 THe idea of a 22lr case necked down to 17 interests me a lot. I read they are supposed to be perfectly flat at 100 yds. I'd like to see how it did against the small furry creatures of the forest. I'm tempted to convert one of my 10-22's to the 17-m2. It might be fun to compare the crow destruction results between it and the 17HMR. At 75 yards a crow is not much more than a poof of feathers with the HMR.

    None of them will ever replace the 22lr in my heart though. So much fun for so little money. But I really like the 17HMR too. Maybe it's a rim-fire thing.
     
  17. Josey Wales '94

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    Meat damage of the .22 mag is high, .22 lr low. And from what I hear, .17 HMR is high meat damge, so I'm guessing the .17 hm2 is low meat tearer-upper, so is great for what I would use it for, rabbits and squirrels. But I'm looking for a bolt action RF and trying desperately to decide between the four cartridges. The hm2 sounds really cool....
     
  18. jpattersonnh

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    I started w/ a 1952 JC Higgins single shot .22lr many years ago. I use to shoot woodchucks and crows out to 100 yards. No one ever told me the cartridge would not do it. Between the .17 HMR and .22WMR each has good points. I bought a Browning A-bolt .22WMR 15 years ago, topped her w/ a Bushnell 3-9x40mm, and she is steller w/ CCI Maxi mag 40gr HP's. When the 33gr Reminton BT came out I tried them. Not pretty at all. A few years passed and I tried the new 30gr BT. Much better, but no real advantage at 120 yards. I picked up a Marlin 917V a few years ago. She is topped w/ a Bushnell 4-12x40mmAO. This gun hated 17gr ammo when I bought her. I only shot 20gr for a few years. I pull out some 17gr when I went shooting this past spring and she shoot them extremely well. It really left me scratching my head. Guess she just needed a little break in time. Of the 2 the .22WMR w/ HP's hits harder and is great for 125 yard shots. The .17 HMR shoots slightly further, 150 yards but lacks the hitting power. Both are extremely accurate. Both will take small game but are not suited for tree squirrels. Great for woodchuck, fox, weasels.....
    If you want the pelts, the .17 is not a good round, that goes for the HM2 also. The Gamepoints just don't open up and the BT blow it up. A good .22lr is a great place to start w/ a rim fire. I found Eley primed Aguila ammo as accurate as CCI in all of mine. Even their Centurian 38gr hp is accurate to 65..70 yards for small vermin and 50 yards for tree squirrels. My old JC Higgins (Marlin) is great w/ the centurian. The last Aguila I bought was $28.00 for Eley per 500, and 23.00 for Centurian per 500.
     
  19. JonathanGlass

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    I already have 3 .22 LR's passed down from my dad, trying to sell two since I only use 1 of them. I could care less about pelts except for foxes, which I might save for myself but not to sell, as far as small game, I only take headshots so no meat will be screwed up.
     
  20. stalkingbear

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    I've had good luck with using 40gr FMJ loads in .22 magnum on small game. It won't tear up any more meat than a .22LR HP,you just have a flatter trajectory and more penetration.