.22 For self defense. Yay or nay?

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by Lmyoung, Oct 16, 2012.

  1. Lmyoung

    Lmyoung New Member

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    Im thinking about getting a simi-auto .22 but the big "elephant in the room" is the put down ability of a .22. I know everyone talks about bullet placement, but i was wondering what kind of put down power a .22 has and what kind of self defense rounds are the best (if there are any). Thanks.
     
  2. THEMENACE

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    It's a nasty little round. It's half shot placement and half shot repetition. .22 tends to bounce off skulls at odd angles but generally it won't have a problem penetrating. Also note, a difference in accuracy and muzzle velocity between being used in a pistol or a rifle. Personally, I will use (for self defense) any .22lr pistol that can be shot quickly, a lot, and that I can clear very quickly in the event that there is a bad cartridge. Look up some tests. Stopping power may be less than other cartridge but you can add 40 grain shots up fairly quickly.

    Centerfire is generally accepted to be more reliable for self defense. There are some videos on YouTube of people shooting frozen turkeys with jackets on. You should try it for yourself.
     

  3. THEMENACE

    THEMENACE New Member

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    Cci are my favorite self defense rounds. Pick one of those that works for you. Sorry for the double post, forgot to answer your question :)
     
  4. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I carried one for a long time until the mouse guns came along. Shot placement and penetration is critical and solids not hollow points. The HP's wont open in the velocities attained in the short barrels anyway. Top quality 40 grain HV solids are more reliable. A 22lr pistol is easy to shoot and practice is cheap so a lot of skill can be built up. For home defense, I would go to a rifle which with its longer barrel and higher velocities is a much better weapon.
    http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/22.html
     
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  5. Overkill0084

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    What are we talking about here? Mouse guns? A semi auto rifle by the bedroom door? Big performance and usability differences there. Out of a rifle, I would think that they might start to approach "effective." Placement would be easier as well.
    Out a tiny pocket pistol, not so much. Considering that pistols of similar size are available in more useful calibers, why would anyone who knew better, even bother with a .22 pocket pistol? Even a .32 acp is a worthwhile step up.
     
  6. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    IF that is all you can afford, then go for it.

    Would you want that if there was a wild boar in the same room? Not me. Give me something bigger.
     
  7. Old_Crow

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    A 22LR is better than an empty hand. Personally I don't want to be shot with any kind of gun. I doubt a bad guy will like it either. No bad guy will be thinking "I have been shot with a 22LR I will be OK." Around the world the 22LR kills more people than any round.
     
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  8. Yunus

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    Reliability would be my main concern. I've had countless .22 fail to fires and jamming is much more common than with centerfire rounds.
     
  9. drvsafe

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    +1 with Yunus. The truth is that the round is simply not reliable. Way too many FTFs with .22. There is no doubt in my mind as to the lethality (is that a word?) of the round, keep in mind for years Israeli Air Marshalls have carried .22s on El Al flights.
     
  10. 303tom

    303tom Well-Known Member

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    Yay..............
     
  11. Old_Crow

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    You have likely shot thousands more bargain box, bulk rimfire rounds than sub par centerfire rounds. If you only count the high quality rimfire rounds you have shot the rate of malfunctions would be much lower.

    Your statement is true centerfire rounds are more reliable. It's only the rate of malfunctions I question. Shooting mini-mags or stingers I can't recall the last time one of my 22LR failed to fire.
     
  12. bsdavis4296

    bsdavis4296 New Member

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    I can't say nay enough.

    However, a cap gun is better than nothing!
    ;-)
     
  13. StoneCat

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    Here's the thing. Anyone who says ".22lr isn't big enough" let me say this: can I shoot you with it then? I'll thump one from my Ruger MkIIII center mass, and after you can punch me in the face. You'll be fine, just walk it off.

    If its no big deal, let's make it 5...
     
  14. Cory2

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    Its better than a pointy stick. And Just because the round won't take someones face off doesn't mean it is inneffective. I would wager if you put 5 or 6 .22's into a in shape grown mans chest, a small woman could pretty easily defend her self from him at that point. Cause even if it doesn't stop him, he is gonna be more than aware of what just happened to him.
     
  15. Overkill0084

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    Seriously? The useless "let me shoot you with my __________, and see if you like it" argument?

    [​IMG]

    Has anyone said that it couldn't be lethal? No.
    Better than begging for mercy? Yes.
    Is it the best possible choice? No.
     
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  16. bsdavis4296

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    If you go with the .22, aim for the vital organs in the chest, as it has often rad around harb bone, especially the skull. Also go for ball rather than hollow point, as there isn't much left of a bullet to expand if you go with a hollow point .22.
     
  17. Lmyoung

    Lmyoung New Member

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    I have a mossberg 500, and i was just wondering that if i got a 1911 in .22 if the round would be enough to stop someone if say i was taking my garbage out.
     
  18. StoneCat

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    I've yet to meet someone who shook off 5 rounds of .22 and kept coming.

    May not be lethal, but I'm sure it would stop the fight...
     
  19. Overkill0084

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    Reread my previous post... slowly.

    Do you now wish to rethink that response?
     
  20. KG7IL

    KG7IL Well-Known Member

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    1. No Gun: Nay
    2. .22lr : Yay
    3. something bigger Yay Yay ....