22-250 vs. 223

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by ExpressMagnum, Apr 15, 2013.

  1. ExpressMagnum

    ExpressMagnum New Member

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    I'm really thinking about buying a new TC Venture Predator in 22-250 or 223. These are fantastic firearms and calibers but its going to be my coyote/predator rifle. What would you say is better and why, which is faster, flatter, and more accurate ?
     
  2. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    .22-250 is faster and flatter. Both are very accurate rounds. .223 is usually cheaper and easier to find, gentler on barrels and has enough reach for the shots I'm willing to take. .223 also does less pelt damage if that is a factor.

    If you want to reach farther, and liquify insides, then the .22-250 is your Huckleberry.
     

  3. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i agree with Doc on this, but will also add this for consideration. going with the 223 would also allow you greater factory ammo selection than the 22-250 if you don't reload. if you reload, then IMO it could be a toss-up.
     
  4. jpattersonnh

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    As stated .22-250 is faster and flatter, shoots further accurately. As far as pelt damage that all depends on the bullet and range. Out to 300 yards, the .223 is great w/ the appropriate bullet. You need to weigh the advantage of distance compared w/ barrel life. I like the .223. If I want further I'll take out a .308.
    Reloading sure helps.
     
  5. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    reloading offers so many more options. not just bullet weights, but powder selection and tuning the ammo to that particular rifle. i second JP's suggestion of reloading.
     
  6. ExpressMagnum

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    I think I'm going with the 22-250 because I can get the ammo no problem but could I liquify and snipe a mountain lion in az.with a 22-250? .223 ammo is a bad situation and 223 is selling for double because they can
     
  7. SSGN_Doc

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    Have to see what the rules are on mountain lions. I would think they would be hard to get a long range shot on. And getting close to mountain lions isn't on my list of things to do.. They are usually pretty big and I would think I'd step up to a heavier caliber for them because I'd want the penetration on the thicker hides and bones. .243 or .308 would be what I would be thinking.

    A .223 with heavy bullets would probably work. Finding a .22-250 barrel with a fast enough twist to stabilize heavier bullets is pretty hard to find, and the light bullets traveling as fast as they do out of the .22-250 would be likely to come apart on contact and only make shallow wounds.
     
  8. ExpressMagnum

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    The TC I like comes with a 1;12twist is that good for long range shots, and how far. If u were to get it would u want a 223 or 22-250 to hunt with ?
     
  9. jpattersonnh

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    Neither. You're talking a big cat. I would step up to .308 and 165gr. Rule is, if it can bite or mame, go bigger. When you hunt a predator, don't try and cheap out. I'd look at a .270, 6.5x55, .308, or step up to a small mag.
     
  10. SSGN_Doc

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    I like both rounds. I use a .223 for coyotes, bobcats, etc. I don't take shots at such small critters much at any ranges exceeding 300 yds, just to be more sure of a humane shot.

    I have blasted crows out to 600 yds with a .22-250, but they are thin skinned and I was just showing off for a bet. As said, I would be reluctant to pick the .22-250 for a big cat because of the limits of the twist rate requiring lighter bullets to be used. They will reach out there just fine, but performance on game is going to be best kept to small thin skinned critters, like coyotes and smaller. Again, at those ranges I want to be sure of a hit. I CAN make hits but I like the insurance of keeping my shots a bit closer, so I don't have to track down a wounded animal that has a big head start on me. The 1:12 twist isn't going to stabilize bullets heavier than about 62 gr. reliably.

    So, it will really depend on your most common prey, and how you hunt. A .243 would give you an option to use light bullets for thin skinned animals and still give you some punch at range with some of the heavier offerings. A .308 would be overkill for 'yotes and bobcats, but if going for dangerous game I would look to something like a .308 if you are going to be taking long shots, or something fast, and handy with some punch like an SKS or a AK, or a .30-30, .35 Rem if you are getting in close.

    I have heard of some folks trapping mountain lions, and my Brother-in-law helped track and dispatch a known livestock killing cougar, ( he used a Marlin .336 in .35 Rem for that one, but they were in brushy hill country and his shot was inside 50 yards according to his recount of the events).

    When I hunt coyotes I usually am walking form one likely area and calling for a while. Then I will move to another area and call for a while. Most of the time I am trying to call them inside of 200 yds before I take a shot. a .223 with 68 gr bullets is pretty effective. So portability and accuracy are my main desires. The rest of my effort is trying to coax the predators into my desired range. Makes for more of a challenge to me.

    I guess it's a long way of saying, you may need two tools for what could really be two different jobs. Or you need to compromise on one end or the other. Overkill for 'yotes or underkill for cougars.
     
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  11. Txhillbilly

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    Almost all factory 22-250 barrels have a 1-12 twist rate,and usually the heaviest factory ammo for them is 55gr bullets,which is also about the heaviest weight of bullet the 1-12 will stabilize.

    I prefer a 223 with a 1-8 or 1-9 twist rate,you sacrifice some velocity with a 223,but you have a wider range of bullets/weights that you can accurately shoot out of it.
     
  12. hockeyjr1

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    I had a tc venture and loved it but just sold it to a friend to buy this bad boy!!!

    Got this Dimension rifle in 30-06 but it can shoot 8 other calibers with a simple barrel, bolt (if needed) and mag change.. (New calibers to come too!!)

    You can get it in 22-250 then buy the other parts to shoot 223 also.. Real cool design and check out the accuracy.. The pic below was the first 11 shots through the gun.. I popped on a scope in 20 min and ran to the range with a few friends.. At 30 yrds I had as little as 1/4" moa! And this was shooting cheap paruvian partisan ammo also..

    T/C is a very over looked company that makes awesome shooting American produced firearms with great price tags.. I paid 604.99 for mine..

    Also the dimension is light!!! My old venture was a heavy typical bolt action.. This will be east to hike with for deer no prob..
     

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  13. jpattersonnh

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    30 yards???:eek: I'm from the Island But have been shooting all my life. You should have had 1 single hole!! TC made some great rifles till they were bought and taken out of NH. That is not a target I would be proud of at 200 yards, never mind 30. Sorry, JMHO.
     
  14. SSGN_Doc

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    Looks like it was sighting in with adjustments on the scope reflected on the target.

    But to the poster of the pics, that would not be 1/4 MOA at 30 yards. To be roughly one MOA would be one inch at 100 yards. A quarter inch at 25 yards is roughly one MOA. A half inch at 50 yds is roughly one MOA. A quarter inch at 100 yards is roughly one quarter MOA.
     
  15. hockeyjr1

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    I shot the 11 bullets in prob 3 min including reloads.. Just wanted to shoot the gun.. Also I don't have a proper level bench to use.. Just leaned the gun on my bag and bent down to the stock..

    Oh and my indoor range that's 10 min from my house is only 30 yards.. Wish I was closer to the ranges out east..

    Like I said too it was crap cheap ammo.. If I was taking my time, had custom reloads, and the right shooting bench, I wouldn't be happy with the group I got..
     
  16. jpattersonnh

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    Call the Nassau county complex (Hempstead turnpike) and see if Jack Pearson is still alive. He will get you on track in short order. Last time I saw him was 1984. BTW, L.I. is only 99 miles long. Bellmore is 30 miles in. You could jump on the Expressway or Southern State and shoot within 45 minutes.
     
  17. ExpressMagnum

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    As a hunter would u prefer 223 or 22-250
     
  18. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    strictly for coyote, either would work quite well. Marlin offers both in a heavy varmint barrel version, the XS7VH priced at $396 MSRP. i have the 308 XS7VH. danged accurate and very well made.

    if you were wanting to engage mountain lions i would think about going a bit larger in caliber and power.

    might think about going with the 308 anyways. lots of people hunt coyotes with a 308.
     
  19. ExpressMagnum

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    In my state of RI all u can hunt w when it comes to coyote is 22, 22-250, 222, 204, 223, .. not even shotgun
     
  20. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    so they have a caliber limit. didn't know they would have a caliber limit on coyote. interesting.