1st time to range in 6 years - trigger pulling?

Discussion in 'Range Report' started by feedsasquatch, Jun 17, 2009.

  1. feedsasquatch

    feedsasquatch New Member

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    Alright, I made it to the range with my new Glock 23 today. It's the first time I've been to a range in 6 years, so I'm very rusty. I seem to shoot consistently low and left, so I think I have a trigger pull problem. What's interesting, is that when I dry fire, my gun doesn't move a bit. So, I submit these photos to everyone's scrutiny to see what's wrong with my shooting, and what I can do to improve it.

    All of the targets were placed exactly 7 yards away.

    Oh, and I also rented a Glock 30 today. It has just as much "recoil" as my G23, but it seems to push into my hand, instead of snapping up. I wish I had fired one before buying the G23, because I really like the way it shoots. O well...
     

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  2. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    This might help.... It's for Right Handed shooting...Reverse it for left hand shooting....
     

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  3. skullcrusher

    skullcrusher New Member

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    I was gonna post the same, as it has helped me tons. I have a copy of it that I take to my home range every time I go. Don't over think it, just keep it in mind.
     
  4. feedsasquatch

    feedsasquatch New Member

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    Alright, so how do I correct "too little trigger finger" and "jerking or slapping trigger" as well as "Breaking Wrist"?
     
  5. skullcrusher

    skullcrusher New Member

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    I'm gonna be soft....

    1. Keep constant pressure and squeeze

    2. Keep constant pressure and contact and squeeze

    3. Don't be girly

    :D
     
  6. feedsasquatch

    feedsasquatch New Member

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    1 &2 - Is the problem that I'm using the the "pad" between my 2 knuckles instead of the "pad" of my fingertip to squeeze the trigger?

    3 - Don't be girly. Alright. I don't know how a girl shoots, but I'll strive not to shoot like one next time I go to the range.
     
  7. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    First time with live ammo in six years?? I would expect you to be off target.

    The problem is that your trigger placement on the trigger, and the pressure you are using on take up from round to round, isn't the same. That is essentially what is happening.

    You're not keeping the same pressure and "type" of pull from round to round. It's common and even I find myself having the same problem if I haven't been to the range in awhile. Check out my range targets in the .460 Rowland Build Off thread. :D

    Dry fire. Lots of dry fire. Smooth even trigger pull each time.

    Get to know your trigger pull and get in tune when it breaks. The break, where the striker slams forward, should be constant and crisp like the breaking of a glass rod.

    There is, I believe, an aftermarket trigger kit available for some Glocks - but I don't know about your specific model....

    Hope that helps...

    JD
     
  8. SGT-MILLER

    SGT-MILLER New Member

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    Keep up the practice.

    You did very, very well for having no range time in 6 years.

    :)
     
  9. skullcrusher

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    I don't know how a girl shoots, either. I was just trying to be general with some advice to get you to be conscious of your form and trigger finger and wrist. JD and SGT stepped up with another approach but generally saying the same thing. Heed all of the advice, and get to the range again. Practice, practice, practice. You will be dead on in no time. :D
     
  10. skullcrusher

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    Just wanna be clear on the finger and the tigger. Do not 'curl' the trigger. Very common mistake, and simple to correct.

    I learned early on that the 'squeeze' on the trigger is a straight pull toward your thumb. If you practice a pull from the knuckle where your finger meets your hand, you get the feel of the pull. Once you know it, you will never forget it. :D
     
  11. feedsasquatch

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    Thanks. This is also pretty much my first time shooting a semi-auto. I've fired a couple of revolvers growing up, but only 1 pistol ever (and only 10 rounds at that). Most of my previous experience is with low-caliber rifles...
     
  12. armsvault

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    6 years is a long time...

    What kind of shot were you 6 years ago? What kind of pistol did you use back then? Prior to trying to make any major changes, it might be a good idea to make a couple more trips to the range. It may just be a matter of you being a little rusty... that being said, your shooting wasn't that bad!
     
  13. feedsasquatch

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    I had a little experience slow-firing .38 and .22 revolvers. No real experience with a pistol. When I say a little experience, I mean I went to a gun range twice a year up until high school. Until that point though, I could hit a 3" target with a .22 5" barrel revolver at 25 yards...

    I recently stumbled across the isosceles stance, which I am now transitioning to from weaver. I noticed an immediate improvement in my shooting. I also think part of my accuracy problem was the caliber, .40 S&W. It has a lot more recoil than I'm used to. More time at the range will help get me adjusted to it though...
     
  14. Dillinger

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    'squatch - Don't read too much into one bad range day, or even several bad mags while at the range.

    You could be tired, you could have low blood sugar, you could be thinking about other issues.

    I have been shooting my whole life - in one form or another - and I still have days when I want to go shooting, but it's just not happening.

    This is the hardest part for new shooters. Wanting to shoot and being ready to shoot are two ENTIRELY different things...

    Best bet, think about going shooting this weekend starting on Monday or Tuesday. Get your mind ready and think about what you want to achieve.

    Tight groups?

    Fast shooting and hitting the target?

    Slow, steady, consistent shooting from mag to mag?

    Get your mind right and use your dry fire practice to get your body ready.

    Then go and give it ago. If it goes well, or if it goes to shi'ite, the important thing is to practice, practice, practice....

    Good luck!
     
  15. layton

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    You could try just putting your finger on the trigger and just slowly squeeze the trigger until you are surprised when it fires, basically, you should always be surprised when your weapon goes off, try dryfiring and practice the squeeze. If you can, also have some one watch you as you dry fire and when you go on the range, They should be able to tell if you are flinching. Dont try rapid fire at first, just take your time and try to be surprised every time the weapon goes off, wont be long until you can fire the weapon with the correct pressure.

    Layton
     
  16. feedsasquatch

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    Well, I went to the range again and focused on stance (isosceles), grip, and proper trigger pull. Here's the results. Range, 7 yards, shots fired, 40 each round with a Glock 23 (.40 S&W).
     

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  17. skullcrusher

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    That's a dead bad guy right there, feed. Nice job. Keep it up. :)
     
  18. Dillinger

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    'Squatch - I wish you were closer, because I would love to take you to the range, you are showing GREAT improvement.

    Several of your shots are right on target, probably when you weren't trying so hard.

    The shots low and left were when you were trying too hard, or when you are jerking the trigger.

    This second, or is it third, range session proves that you have potential that you have not tapped yet, but you are well on your way.

    That said, I agree with Skull, you have a dead bad guy any day of the week with that target. :D

    JD
     
  19. feedsasquatch

    feedsasquatch New Member

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    Thanks Dillinger. I knew the shots were going to be low before I even looked at the target to see where they hit; I flinched, anticipating recoil. Whenever I did that, I would bring the target back, unload my Glock, and do some dry firing.

    This is my third range session, and I think I'm getting a lot better with my Glock 23. I'm finally starting to feel like the bullets are hitting very close to where I'm aiming, whereas before they were going low and left 50% of the time. Now I'm just getting a few stray bullets.

    I think if I keep dry firing, and force myself to not anticipate recoil, I won't have all these stray shots. Then I can start working on speed, longer ranges, and tack-driving.
     
  20. h8dirt

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    Forget the wheels and too much about refined technique at this point. At 21 feet your pistol is capable of one hole accuracy with a steady hold and smooth squeeze. S Q U E E Z E.