1st rifle

Discussion in '.22 Rifle/Rimfire Discussion' started by Mack Bolan, Dec 17, 2009.

  1. Mack Bolan

    Mack Bolan New Member

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    well after plenty of thread reading here and there, I went with a:

    CZ American 452 .22lr -$350.00
    bushnell 4-12x30 buckthorn scope w/
    DLX .22 rings
    Plano basic "2 scoped rifle" carrying case

    24hr wait plus they're backed up a day or two on the set up and bore sighting, but I cant wait to take it out and remind myself of the ole summer camp days....:D

    my original plan was to go with an open sight model with no scope, but I didnt really like any of the open sight models they had....

    the savage mark II felt really nice too, but I liked the wood on the CZ better.

    When in possesion I'll be sure to post up a pic and a follow up range report after I get out.

    Thanks to all on the forum for the input to others i was able to read up on for decision making help- it definitely was informative and helpful.

    -Mack
     
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  2. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    Sounds like a great set up. You let us know how it shoots.
     

  3. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    That CZ's an outstanding rifle. It should be a tack driver. Congrats.
     
  4. Mack Bolan

    Mack Bolan New Member

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    Thanks fellas...and well as promised, here are a couple pics....

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    thanks to the knuckle heads at Cabela's, I can't get the bolt back in the gun with the scope mounted the way it is....so I didn't get to shoot it yet. Too trusting at the counter, and a little excited ofcourse, I left without checking it first.

    I did ask if that model scope would fit the rifle before choosing it.."yeah, no problem, with the right rings...sure." replied employee. Should I have expected knowledgeable service from cabela's, or is that expecting too much?

    i have a boresight laser i scooped for sighting in some pellet guns, I'll likely use that to (learn/figure out how to) remount the scope accordingly.....

    the woodwork is beautiful ;)
     
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  5. Jess

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    there are knuckleheads everywhere. Cabelas has always treated us right in the customer service "make things right category" I would let them know
     
  6. cpttango30

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    Looks to me like you need to rotate the rear scope cap and you should be fine.
     
  7. Mack Bolan

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    i'm pretty sure I tried with out the rear cap on, and thats when I noticed it bumping the scope and actually moving it....didnt want to scratch it up trying too hard, but I will try again before i bring it back, I'd rather not look like a fool at the counter in front everyone....:eek:
     
  8. BILLYBOB44

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    YOU are not the fool.

    At the counter be sure to point out to all that it is the scope that THEY mounted for you. Simple fix-the next size higher rings. DO NOT pay for different rings-it was the fault of whoever mounted it the first time. I'm sure they will make it right.:D
     
  9. Wolf1066

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    Hey, Mack, that's a sweeeeeet first rifle: the illustrious "Brno" (as we call them here).

    My first was rather more modest - a second-hand single shot Gecado .22.

    It was years before I was able to afford a Brno 452. Fitted it out with a scope and bought a ten-shot mag and a "sound moderator" (or suppressor) for it. Fantastic rifle - as CA357 said: a tack driver.

    Sadly, some rotten SOB stole it. Thankfully, they never found where I'd locked the bolt, suppressor and magazines.

    A while later I bought another 452. I haven't got a scope for it yet but I've got a suppressor, 2 spare mags and a spare bolt.

    No-one I've encountered has ever said a bad word about Brnos. On the contrary, I pull out the 452 and get nothing but "oh, a Brno, excellent rifle!"

    Never had reason to disagree with that assessment. Even with the iron sights and my less-than-perfect vision, it's consistently accurate. And reliable as death and taxes.

    Let us know how things go with getting the sight sorted out.

    Happy shooting.
     
  10. cpttango30

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    Post a picture of the bolt almost going into the gun.

    From your pictures I just don't see how the bolt is hitting the scope seeing as the objective is larger than the eye piece. There is just no way I can see that the bolt will hit the scope. The bolt handle may touch it a little
     
  11. Mack Bolan

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    appreciate the feedback....still cant wait to get out and shoot it.

    i will cpt. tango....actually took some to show the relief needed but without internet at home temporarily so did get em posted up....actually all ready ordered some high mounts to switch out....only becuase i have a feeling in a month or two i'll likely have another rifle to use the low ones on.

    when I went back to Cabelas, not a short trip for me either, but anyway when i finally got some help, we found they didnt even stock any mounts that worked for that rifle...so hence my reason for ordering new ones as well.

    i'll snap a few and post em up tomorrow.
     
  12. Mack Bolan

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    ok, took a bunch of pics....they're large files so I posted them in a folder on my buddies ftp site

    http://www.twat.tv/misc/scopemount/

    i tried to take em at enough angles so the problem is visible, with the bolt attempting to go in after/with scope mounted, and with the bolt all ready in, attempting go up and back with scope mounted. i left the scope loose on the rail so I could slide it back n forth to show moving it either direction did not allow for the needed relief to lift the bolt up and pull it back once the scope was tightened down on the rail.

    Sgt. R. Lee Emery helped point out the contact points for me.....;)

    my new "high" bsa scope mounts came in today as well as a B-square 3/8" dovetail to weaver conversion mount...so i have some other solutions to play with later
     
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  13. jtrain

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    Looking for a tackdriver

    I've recently become fascinated with target shooting after i shot a few handguns/rifles recently.

    I am looking for a .22 tack driver that wont bust the bank. The gun doenst have to be "the best" since it will be an introductory gun (my first), but I'd also want something that I could have for a loonngg time and constantly be astounded by its accuracy.

    I've heard some of the CZ Americans are great.
    I head the Ruger 10/22 is a great starter gun.
    I was looking at the .17HMR but have been put off due to the recall.

    Please leave some suggestions.
     
  14. Wolf1066

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    My music teacher always said "people should learn on concert-grade instruments - that way if you get it wrong, you know it's you that needs to improve, not the instrument; if you learn on cheap rubbish, you'll never learn what it's supposed to sound like".

    Sound advice, IMO, that has stood me in good stead over the years with many things man-made.

    Aim for the best you can get - no point trying to learn to shoot if the crappy sights drift or the bullet exits the barrel at a different angle each time, or even if it's fairly consistently shooting high and right. You'll just be in for frustration and constantly having to compensate.

    If you have to, hunt around for a second-hand rifle in good/mint condition to save a few dollars. A quality firearm that's been looked after will treat a number of owners well and be better than a new cheap one.
     
  15. Mack Bolan

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    All depends on what "the bank" is....?

    the CZ american was about $350 plus scope and mounts....check the range report here http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f66/cz-452-american-22-lr-1st-100-rnds-22133/

    but i just picked up a 10/22 carbine, black synthetic stock w/ fiber optic sights wednesday for $197 plus tax. Hoping I'll see how it shoots "out of the box" this weekend.

    i actually found most of my best suggestions posted in this section prior to even starting this thread and buying the CZ...poke around some, there's plenty of good info all ready posted.:)
     
  16. Wolf1066

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    CZ firearms are excellent - serious tack drivers. Here we call them "Brno" - after the Czech town where they're manufactured.

    I have a ZKM-452 with sound moderator and spare 5-round and optional 10-round magazines. Thoroughly love it - never misses a beat and accurate as hell even with the standard iron sights over various ranges.

    Build-quality is excellent, finish superb and it's evident it'll last years with the minimum of maintenance.

    Bought mine brand new, cost the better part of NZ$800 over here. It's my second - bought after the first got stolen. If the first hadn't been a superb firearm, I wouldn't have bought a second.

    It's nothing complex, just a good, basic well-made rifle, not too heavy but not flimsy, nothing flimsy or finicky about the action either, great positive feel on the bolt, crisp clean trigger-break.

    I heartily recommend CZ rifles from my experience - and not one shooter I've met has given me hell for getting one, back-yard plinkers and serious small-game hunters alike have said "oh, a Bruno, sweet-as!" Their rep is spread far and wide.

    A great rifle for experienced shooters as it won't disappoint and a great rifle for inexperienced shooters as it's reliable and accurate.

    If you're learning, though, get decent quality ammo to put through your rifle so you know the bullets should all hit around the same place - with a decent rifle and decent ammo, two probable causes of inaccuracy and inconsistency are minimised. Unless you're on an indoor range, you won't be able to do much about the weather. After that it's practise, practise, practise. Great thing is: with a .22, even firing costlier high-quality ammo, it's very cheap to put a few hundred rounds downrange.

    And a hell of a lot of fun.

    Best of luck in finding the rifle you want, have fun and be safe.