1st preparing steps?

Discussion in 'Survival & Sustenance Living Forum' started by clr8ter, Oct 28, 2012.

  1. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    The wife & I, (well, mostly me), were wondering how we should prepare. We don't want to go overboard as far as dollars spent. We don't want to end up being forced to eat or throw away stuff that is/going to be out of date. What do we REALLY need, VS. just what we want? Either list could potentially be endless.
    I thought maybe storing things like liquor, TP, sliver, soap could give you bartering power. Most of these things either will be used no matter what, and/or will never go bad.

    How about starting a list of barter items that have a indefinite shelf life or that you would use up in any case?

    TP
    Liquor
    Soap
    shoes
    silver
    matches/lighters
    clothes
    guns
    ammo
     
  2. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    First, get yourself in shape (if you are not already) Set aside time to go walking 3 days a week if you are not already in a fitness regimen.

    Stuff for barter is good- but that presumes being around long enuff to need to barter. Start with some basic camping gear (and thrift shop/used is fine IF it is in good shape) Couple of GOOD backpacks, canteens, lightweight cooking gear, sleeping bags, even a lighweight tent.

    Water, calories, shelter, medical/first aid. Does not have to be MREs or freeze dried anythings- pick up a few extra cans or boxes of a long life food you like each time you go shopping. Rotate that as a normal part of your diet, using up older stock as you go.

    From there, you can branch out into some of the more advanced things.
     

  3. Bearsdad40cc

    Bearsdad40cc New Member

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    I agree with the previous person. Your assuming about bartering.
    I would start out with necessities for me and my immediate Family such as Water ( a minimum of 1 gal per person a day) Food ( dry beans, oatmeal, spam, Tuna,) save stuff you like to eat and just watch the dates and rotate the stuff.
    After the food & water then probably go for defense like Guns and Ammo
    Theres plenty of info on this forum. Good luck and have fun wit's it . It's wise to be prepared for any disaster for a minimum of 2 weeks supplies. IMO
     
  4. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    1. Get out of debt. Debt is a cancer you can beat if your put your mind to it.

    2. Start storing what you and yours need to live for a week. Work on doubling that time span as often as you can. Go into each room of your house with a pen and paper and write down what you would really, really miss if you didn't have any more of it. There's your shopping list.

    3. Look at ways to become self-sufficient - grow/hunt/fish, learn the medicinal qualities wild plants offer, etc.

    4. Work on building an alternate store of wealth - gold, silver or land. This won't help you in a SHTF situation, but it will give you something valuable to work with after that time.

    5. Throughout it all, knock off the bad behaviors - smoking, drinking, eating crap - and get in shape.
     
  5. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    I don't think we will be bugging out. The wife simply could not handle it, I'd have to leave her behind. So. We don't drink, or smoke, we didn't have ANY debt until recently, (just bought a new truck, but it could be paid off anytime we wanted), we have a well, all we'd have to do is find a way to get the water out. Should work on that next. The problem with saving the food is we don't really WANT or LIKE to eat those things, (who likes SPAM & spagetti-O's, anyway?) so rotating them would be hard. If we HAD to eat those things, that'd be different.
    I suppose where we lack the most would be the hunting, & fishing thing. I so don't care to do either, or eat that stuff. But I know people who do. I don't garden, but I'm pretty sure I could.

    Anyways, maybe we'll find out soon. As we speak, the S is HTF right now around here. (If you believe the news.:eek:) By Tuesday morning, we might be dead. We're in Southern NH, supposedly in the path of the storm that's probably going to turn out to be nothing, like all the others......
     
  6. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    My brother- while it IS good to pay attention to the weather and news, this is not time spoken of in Revelations- those of us that are your Southern Neighbors go thru several hurricanes each year. They usually play out before they get to your neck of the woods.

    In re: Food. PLEASE do NOT go the "100 lbs of powdered eggs" route- you want to pick things you DO like to eat. (I happen to like SPAM) If what you like is homemade bread, lay in some flour and yeast, and a dozen recipes.

    One of the most valuable things you can acquire is knowledge- and one of the cheapest. However, if you ever reach the OMG THIS IS REALLY HAPPENING stage of things, info on a computer may be unreachable- books are good. Gardening would be an excellent start. Preserving food another (grew up as a country boy long ago, learned much of that at Mom's knee and Dad's elbow) Beer and wine making worth considering.

    I personally class "self reliance" in about 3 flavors-
    A. We are on our own, cut off from utilities and other resources for a few days
    B. We are on our own, cut off from utilities and other resources for weeks
    C. Something messed up HUGELY, and that life is not coming back for years.

    A is easy and fairly cheap to prepare for, B more expensive, and C- hell, I don't know that ANYONE is prepared to be Robinson Crusoe for the rest of their lives. (Some folks THINK they are)

    Reference bugging out- like yourself, my plans are for bugging IN, however, sometimes the real world did not read your plans. IF your home base is rendered uninhabitable by circumstances beyond your control (See Chernobyl and Bhopal India) you may have to. All else fails, walking can put 20 miles a day between you and Armageddon.

    In the meantime, it makes for a good hobby, allows you to take responsibility for your own welfare, and sometimes when it is 10 degrees, and power has been off for 4 days, it is nice to invite the neighbors over to get warm, share chili and cornbread, and play gin rummy. They are the folks that plow my garden for me.
     
  7. tshoot91

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    Right here! ;)
     
  8. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    lol, the part about the weather right now was said in a sarcastic way - I don't really think anything's going to happen.

    I agree with your A,B&C, C3. We've got A down, no prob. I suppose we'd have B, too, but for the lack of enough fuel for the generator. We can't store that much gas.....and C indeed would be tough. Dare I say almost impossible? Unless you were loaded.
     
  9. TLuker

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    Keep in mind that preparing doesn't have to be expensive and can actually save you a lot of money. Gardening gives you better produce than you can buy and it really cuts down on the grocery bill. Not to mention its fun. The same goes for hunting and fishing. A lot of things can also serve many purposes. Precious metals could potentially be used for barter but they can also serve as a hedge against inflation or currency collapse. Gardening saves money and can help improve your health (from the physical work of gardening and by improving your diet). Guns can be used for hunting, defense, and another possible hedge against inflation. Of course you can put a lot of money into it, but it isn't a requirement. :)
     
  10. c3shooter

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    Just ran across this on a fun little site called FML. Sometimes folks DO get carried away-


    Today, my dad watched the news and decided to start preparing for Hurricane Sandy by buying $300 worth of long-life and canned food. We live in Australia. FML

    :p:p:p
     
  11. AsSeenOnTV

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  12. vincent

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    Kind of in he same boat as you as far as the well water and storing gasoline...

    This makes sense especially if you're on a well, anyone who is knows what happens when the power goes out...:eek: Ya can't flush the toilet with air and I ain't poopin' in the woods!! anymore :D

    http://www.waterbob.com/Welcome.do;jsessionid=8B26D5B9BBF64EB8BCCDA5EA3B4CD76F

    Power goes out, run the genny just long enough to fill 'er up, cut if off and save gas for next time. You have drinking, cooking, cleaning and flushing water.
     
  13. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    LOL, but you CAN flush it with water from a bucket that you got from a stream or pond....more importantly, I want to be able to take a HOT shower. So, we need the water heater up & running.
     
  14. TLuker

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    Or build a passive system that will use the sun to heat water? :)
     
  15. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    No,no, HOT, LONG shower........does a system exist that can do that?
     
  16. widowmaker

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    After reading your initial question and then the replies you have given to the offered suggestions, I think you are one that wants his cake and eat it too. I understand wanting to not be uncomfortable in any way but if ,and its a big if, things really go to hell, a nice long hot shower will be farthest from your mind. Eating , drinking, and surviving will be foremost. If you have the money to set yourself up to ride out the worst to come in comfort , my congrats to you.
    But I digress,,,,,,, heres my suggestion...... If you dont want to hear the answer then don't ask the question.
     
  17. Jim1611

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    Anyone that's interested in being self sufficeint could really get some good pointers from this man http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Proenneke. He lived alone in some remote Alaskan wilderness for 30+ years in a 11 x 15 log cabin he built himself. Now granted ,ost of us will never do that but the lessons learned from his experience could be helpful someday.
     
  18. BigB

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    They show that on PBS every once in a while and I love it every single time! There were two different movies made separate from the original that I have yet to see. I believe the cabin is now a historical landmark!
     
  19. c3shooter

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    CAN you be off the grid- and still have a good, hot, LONG shower? Sure. However, it probably will not involve your standard home utilities. A 55 gallon drum of water, drum painted flat black, inside a glazed, isulated box, WILL make hot water. So will a home boiler, so will a wood stove with a device called a waterback.

    Can you EASILY power an electric water heater? Not unless you have your own wind farm, or a hydroelectic power plant.

    There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
     
  20. CHLChris

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    If one has a LOT of money, one can afford to buy all their prep supplies and simply get rid of the old stuff as you buy new.

    On a budget (almost everybody), one has to be willing to make changes to their actual lifestyle.

    -Every time to the store, buy a few extra items and put them aside.
    -Find different hobbies that might be useful, such as camping or hunting or knot-tying.
    -Sometimes eat can food and storage foods, perhaps even very often, so as to rotate your stock.
    -Save up for larger items, often bought on the classifieds...always be looking for items that you may need.
    -You need to look at storage space with a different eye...how best to maximize that space.

    The list can go on and on. My point is that preparation isn't instantaneous and involves a mindset even more than a list.