1st Bolt Action Rifle - .22 LR or .22 WMR?

Discussion in '.22 Rifle/Rimfire Discussion' started by bf109, Oct 12, 2010.

  1. bf109

    bf109 New Member

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    Hi, I'm getting my first bolt action rifle in .22 caliber with iron sights and wood stock. I'll use it primarily for range shooting and possibly hunting small animals occassionaly. Any recommendations of an accurate/high quality one? The following are what I have in mind:

    CZ 452 lux
    Anschutz 1451 classic (not sure about the pricing?)
    any decent American brands (i.e. Browning, Weatherby with iron sights?)

    How about ammo? I know .22 LR is most economical but .22 WMR is more accurate. How much more does .22 WMR cost than .22 LR (per 100 rounds)? Please share your experience.

    Thank you.
     
  2. AusLach

    AusLach New Member

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    My old man has an old .22 Anschutz sporter that he was given as a kid (and what I learnt to shoot with), and I now own a CZ 452 in .17HMR so I'll give my $0.02 here:eek:

    If you're after the best accuracy and the highest quality, Anschutz is probably one of the best factory made rimfire rifles out there. If the US is anything like over here but, you'll be looking at spending probably twice or thrice the amount of money for a rifle that frankly isn't going to give you twice/thrice the performance of the CZ. While I can't comment on other brands, Weatherby rimfires also use the Anschutz action, and pricing for them will probably fall in between the CZ and Anschutz.

    I don't know where you heard that the .22WMR is more accurate than the .22LR, but sorry 'cause you're wrong. The WMR certainly is able to shoot further than the humble .22LR, but within 75yrds (which is the greatest range I'd be trying to hunt game with the .22 anyway), they're pretty much equally accurate. Stretch the range to over 100 yrds and the .22 will start to run out of puff quickly while the magnum can probably still be used effectively on small game out to 150.

    I can't comment on pricing on the ammo over there but I'd imagine there'll be significant differences between long rifle and magnum ammunition prices. Just to throw in another option though, have you looked into the .17HMR??:cool:
     

  3. bf109

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    .22 LR vs .17 HMR

    Hi, thanks for your reply. I did some research and found that the cost of .17 HMR ammo is similar to the .22 WMR - both are about 3-4 times more expensive than the .22 LR. How does the .17 HMR shoot and compare with .22 WMR and .22 LR, respectively?

    In addition, the .17 HMR CZ comes as a special Military Training rifle (still the 452 series) while the 452 Lux (with walnut stock) only comes with .22LR and .22 WMR.
     
  4. Overkill0084

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    Unless there is an actual need for 22WMR, I would stick with .22 LR.
    Keep an eye out for the old Kimber bolt action .22s. If you can find a deal on one, they are pretty darned good. They don't give up much to the Anshutz sporters for accuracy IMHO. The one I have was my Silhouette gun back in the early 80s. Easily a MOA gun with ammo it likes.
     
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  5. dteed4094

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    You can get an accurate 2LR without paying for the name of Browning, which is the least accurate 22 I own, or Weatherby. There is a lot of shooting enjoyment in a 22LR. Marlin, Mossberg, Savage, Stevens or any of the "lower end" Rifles.
     
  6. Niteflyer

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    Hi, I have a .22 mag. Marlin that will shoot 1 in. groups all day with CCI ammo,the only brand I have tried, if I do my part. I've never ran a bore brush through this rifle only patches occasionally and I have had it for about 5 years and there has been a lot of ammo down it's bore. There are a lot of very good rifles out there but you don't need to spend an arm and a leg to find a rifle that will shoot well. Of course,with an economical rifle you won't get the fine wood and the beautifully finished metal....It's all in what you want I guess.
     
  7. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    If you are set on CZ, look at the 453 instead of the 452. You get a set trigger. The new Savage bolt guns with the accutrigger are unbelievable. The top line MK2 with target bbl and laminated stock is one of the most accurate rifles on the market. The 93 series is 17 HMR. My wife has a MK2 in 17M2 that I restocked for her. It came with a poor plastic stock and I put a Boyd Laminated wood stock on it. I cut the length by 1" and reshaped the coaming. Ammo is half the cost of the HMR and 22Mag ammo. 2100fps with the 17 gr vmax and not as destructive if you are a meat hunter.
    I have a CZ 452 American in 22lr and it is a nice little rifle. It shoots better than I do anymore.
     
  8. cpttango30

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    Anschutz 1451 classic

    Or the Weatherby Mark XXII them right there just flat shoot and look great. Of course expect a $1k+ price tag on them.
     
  9. bf109

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    CZ 453 vs 452 - Single Set Trigger?

    Hi, thanks for your comments.

    What's a SINGLE SET Trigger on CZ 453? How's it different from the one on CZ 452? Any advantages over the traditinonal trigger (poundage adj. on CZ 452)?
     
  10. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The CZ center fires have set triggers. You can use them normaly but when you want a really light trigger, you push the trigger forward to set it. after it is set, do not touch it until you are ready to make the shot. I blew several rounds on my 223 because I touched the trigger too soon after it was set. The 452's trigger is OK but not great. There is some info on the net on how to tune them. Complaints led to the 453 with the set trigger.
     
  11. bf109

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    Thanks all for your suggestions. I just ordered my first rifle - CZ 452 Lux .22LR with iron sight. Now I have questions about ammo and rifle cleaning, which I'll start separate posts.
     
  12. hideit

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    bolt action?
    then 22WMR

    i would not waste a 22lr in a bolt action
     
  13. FreedomFighter69

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    If you want to plink and shoot a lot of target a 22 LR is your best bet. The 22 MAG isn't too bad pricewise, you can find ammo for it for $8.00 a box of 50 but the better stuff is closer to $13.00. Another though is a ceterfire 22 like the 22-250 or 223. The 22-250 is a hot little number and very flat shooting. The ammo will be more dough however.
    If you have interest in an Anschutz I don't think you would be too bothered at the price of centerfire 22 ammo ! The 223 can be had relitively cheap as it is a popular and abundant cartridge.
     
  14. Wolfen

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    Go with the CZ 455 American and you can get barrels for both + a barrel for the 17 HMR.

    You can modify the trigger to a very respectful release for a lot less than $100.

    Not only that, it's cheaper than the 453.

    Wolfen
     
  15. ET1

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    In the great tradition of the internet forums I will tell you what I'd buy and totally ignore that you have already posted that you ordered a CZ rifle...

    I have a bolt action, mag fed Marlin 780 (western auto revelation) that I bought in 1966 when I was 12 years old and it is still going strong. I have shot thousands & thousands of rounds thru it with out a single problem. It looks like it will be going strong long after I'm dead. :( (great now I'm depressed) A good quality 22 rifle will be a good asset to have when the zombies attack. :eek:
     
  16. bf109

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    Range Report - 452 Lux

    I just came back from the range. Shot over 200 rounds with my new CZ 452 Lux. What a beautiful and accruate rifle! I shot at 25m and 50m and made quite some accurate shots - as good as those who used scopes.

    Very smooth bolt and actions. Just love it. Cannot wait until next weekend.

    Thanks for everyone's help.
     
  17. gp50

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    Well, I guess I'll throw in my two cents worth here. I have owned many .22 rifles in my years, and I have had some real M.O.A guns. One thing I have learned through out my shooting career is that Higher price for a rifle dosent nessaceraly mean better accuracy. There are Marlins and Savage's out there right now that will shoot the tits off a mother flea. If you want a real accurate and fun gun to shoot, and don't mind paying a bit more for ammo, the Savage 93F in 17HMR is a great buy, and a very, very good rifle. Just my two cents.