1942 91/30 mosin nagant

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by GeneJr, Jan 22, 2012.

  1. GeneJr

    GeneJr New Member

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    So I just purchased my first nagant at the gun show today. Spent a hundred bucks, and by the looks I'm happy. But cupple questions. It seems to be all greased up. I mean its on everything. Can I take it or most of it off? Will it effect the rifle? Second, it seems the barrel is a tad bit loose. And I mean just a tad. The wood on top of The barrel is loose so The barrel moves a slight bit. Should I be worried? And is there any way to find out where its been. All four serial numbers match, barrel, butt, bolt and the bottom of the clip. Paid a hundred flat and its now in my name. Don't know if it was a good deal but big 5 wanted 120 for there's. Any info is appreciated. And as always, Thx.
     
  2. vincent

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    Here ya go...

    http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f37/mosin-clean-up-50737/

    Lots of ways to clean 'er up but JPyle put a lot of work into this thread for us. BTW, you'll probably never get all the cosmoline off, it'll come creeping out of the crevices as it heats up when you shoot it.

    Is the barrel itself moving or just the wooden handguard? The barrel screws into the reciever, if you have ANY doubts, have it looked at before you shoot.

    Did it come with all the goodies too? Mag pouches, sling, bayonet, cleaning kit? If so, make sure you check the firing pin protrusion with the multitool...VERY IMPORTANT!! I'll put some links up for ya too...welcome to your new affliction....MOSINITIS!!! :D

    firing pin adjustment...[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aUoLZ1OweM&list=UUh8Ci45Huk7w5F-yeF-nQfw&index=2&feature=plcp[/ame]

    bolt disasssembly...[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUcqDc30iIs&list=UU1F0ujxqWLX_nFmgdouetOw&index=13&feature=plpp_video[/ame]

    Also, no way to find out where it's been, 99.99% that is was issued but there is no way to track it. Here's a cool site too...http://7.62x54r.net/
     
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  3. trip286

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  4. vincent

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    Gotta be quick, I'm all hopped up on root beer!!! :D
     
  5. Jpyle

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    Congrats on the new purchase, $100 is about the going rate for a round receivered Izhevsk...some Tula made models may go for more, word of advice Mosins are addictive and will multiply if left unattended. :)

    Heres a site with some good info:

    Russian and Soviet Mosin Nagant Marks

    The grease that is covering your rifle is cosmoline, it is a waxy, petroleum based preservative that the Russians used to preserve your rifle, think of it as an industrial strength K-Y. Chances are it has been sitting in storage in a warehouse or depot somewhere since the late 1940s. All of that cosmoline needs to be removed from every metal and wood surface as well as inside the barrel itself. There are many how-tos on the web and here as well. Here is one I am particularly fond of...:p

    http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f37/mosin-clean-up-50737/

    Don't worry about the loose barrel right now since you are going to be stripping the rifle down to individual parts to clean it. When you reassemble be sure that the 2 bolts through the receiver into the barrel are snugged up. The tension springs on the foregrips can be adjusted to exert additional pressure and hold the wood pieces tighter to the barrel.

    About the only thing you can reliably know about your rifle is where and when it was manufactured. Unless it is a verified capture, there are really no records in existence tracing to whom and where it was issued. But, the state of the Russian Army during WWII being what it was, there is a high probability that your gun is a battle veteran.
     
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  6. vincent

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    One more thing to keep in mind...if you're using mil-surp ammo, the primers are corrosive so it's important to clean it after each trip to the range. Hot soapy water and Hoppe's #9 seem to be the general consensus here.

    Congrats!!! :cool:
     
  7. trip286

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    I use windex, but I've recently been told I'm doing it wrong...

    How soapy water and hoppes will do the job, I like the convenience of windex, but I was told the ammonia that neutralizes the corrosive salts is also corrosive. I always follow up the windex with hoppes too though.
     
  8. GeneJr

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    Sux I can't find out where its been. But no I didn't get all the extras like I wanted. That was another question I had, where to get em at. And yes the barrel does move up like the size of a pens tip. Enough to barely notice. And Thx for all the links guys.
     
  9. vincent

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    Ebay? Internet search?...I dunno...Did you get the multitool at least? If not, PM me, I have an extra I don't mind parting with (no charge). Most of the other stuff can be improvised...sans bayonet...but that multitool is mucho important. If that firing pin pokes through the primer things could get ugly...:eek:
     
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    I wish I could find the exact history on mine too. It's a 1938 Tula. All I can find is that if it's war time production then it likely killed nazis...close enough for me.
     
  12. bick65

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    Just got 1937 no comes cosmol removal can't wait to reload for it .
     
  13. racingfanatic

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    just cleaned my 1940 this weekend unfortunatly have to wait until friday to shoot it :mad:
     
  14. Chainfire

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    Congrats to all of you who have picked up one of the best firearm bargains around. Where else can you buy a factory refurbed, hi-powered rifle, that fires a round similar to an 06, but cost less than .20 per round. If you got a good barrel, and most of them are, it will be accurate enough for most shooters needs. And they are just fun to shoot.

    Add to that, the fact that you are getting a historic artifact, that you can play with, and it just don't get much better.

    There is a lot of very good information on the net about these rifles, their markings, and their history. There are a lot of people that are quite facinated with these guns and are happy to share their knowledge with newcomers.

    I, myself, own more than one. ;)
     
  15. k-9155

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    My son just purchased one and WE love it! Great shooter!! Have you heard good or bad on the Remington synthetic version?
     
  16. GateMcBate

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    I picked up 1942 mosin nagant 91/30 at fleet farm. I knew a little bit at the time and was looking for a m44, but no luck.
    Heres the thing I paid $440 because it has the pu scope. I thought it was great. Turns out the scope is reproduction. I took it to the range shoots great with iron sights, but no luck with scope. I zeroed everything in and then tried to loosen the calibration screws and nothing worked. All and all I have $100 gun that looks cooler. Any have any knowledge on these things let me know. Thanks
     
  17. trip286

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    I don't think any came grok any factories with a synthetic stock. My step brother bought a synthetic stock from ATI, and eventually put the wood back on. He said the synthetic stock made it too light, there for uncomfortable to shoot.
     
  18. Chainfire

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    Remington could never compete with a $79.00 rifle. Remington and New England Westinghouse did indeed make these guns a hundred years ago, for a brief time. They bring a premium price, ($300.00 and up) though they are really no better than the Tula or Izhevsk rifles.

    If you like the 91/30, wait till you shoot a carbine version. (M-1938 or M-1944)
    You will get a blast out of those. ;) After that, you can buy the Chinese version of the M-44, the T-53. The T-53 can be bought for under $100.00 delivered, today! It will not be refurbed, and will look like it was used to beat a tank to death, but will probably be a great shooter.
     
  19. GeneJr

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    What did u clean urs up with? I was told u can use the hopes #9 solivent. But there are a lot of diff ways I guess. I'm still waiting to find a good and cheap way to do it.
     
  20. Chainfire

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    I have found no better way to clean a cosmoline loaded Mosin Nagant than to strip it to it's component parts and pour boiling water over it. Take the stock off, boil a gallon or so of water, take it out in the yard and give the metal a bath. I say in the yard; if there is a woman in your life, you don't want to do this in her sink or bath tub. It is a lot less work than any other method, and I have tried plenty. While it is still stinking hot, wipe it down with a clean rag, then clean it with Hoppes or whatever else you like. You can safely clean the stock with 409 or whatever household degreaser you have, then follow up with some lemon oil. The stock will continue to seep oil when it gets hot, but carry a rag to the range to deal with it. One thing to avoid is cleaning the stock with anything with alcohol in it as that will ruin the finish.

    I also use the same method after shooting. (you get used to it);)