1911 SSP chambered for .357 mag?

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by Secondhand_Hero, Dec 31, 2011.

  1. Secondhand_Hero

    Secondhand_Hero New Member

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    Ungodly cost aside, the 1911 SSP is a GORGEOUS pistol and i'm a big fan of .357 mag, so i'm sitting here wondering.. Just how amazing it would be to combine the two! Now i've seen 9mm's chambered for 10's and .50's for .357 but i'm not sure of the integrity. Would this be a good plausible idea or just a financial sinkhole compromising the quality of a good gun?
     
  2. trip286

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  3. Tackleberry1

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    The only Factory 1911 chambered for .357 Magnum to my knowledge is the Coonan. I believe they run roughly $1100 to $1400, only come with one mag and extra mags are impossible to find.

    I've never fired one so I could not attest to reliability but I would guess they are as bad as any auto pistol Chambered for a revolver cartridge.

    The rim on the .357 mag case that allows it to not drop clean through the cylinder of a revolver is a big malfunction waiting to happen in any magazine fed pistol where rounds stack and must be able to slide for and aft against one another. AMT tried this with thier Auto Mag line and of course there is the Desert Eagle available in .357, .44, and .50 AE. The .50 AE IS THE ONLY ONE of the Magnum length cartridges that I've been able to fire reliably in both AMT and DE pistols. .357 and .44 Magnums just don't work well in auto's IMHO.

    The aforementioned Coonan has gotten favorable reviews but the magazine shortages would relegate it to range gun status. Not that being the only guy on the firing line with a 1911 in .357 mag would not be all kinds off fun.

    Tack
     
  4. Secondhand_Hero

    Secondhand_Hero New Member

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    Okay wow, i didn't even think 1911's came with .357 allowances! That alone kind of excites me! And yeah, i've heard the Desert Eagle MK 1 could chamber .357 and was a helluva shoot but i've never fire one off. Would i be better off with this Koonan or try my hand with the DE's?
     
  5. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    I think about the only practical advantages the Coonan has over the DE if that it's packable. Yeah, a DE can be carried, but not easily.
     
  6. wjkuleck

    wjkuleck Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Why not a .357 SIG in a 1911 (I've built two)? You get nearly .357 Mag revolver ballistics in an autoloader-friendly rimless, bottle-neck cartridge.

    Regards,

    Walt
     
  7. Tackleberry1

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    Given a choice between the Coonan or the DE in .357 Mag I'd personally opt for the Coonan because I know from personal experience that a DE in either .357 or .44 Mag will stovepipe or FTF at least once per mag.

    Personally, if I wanted a wiz bang 1911 with power to shame the vaunted .45 ACP, I would look into either the .50 GI or the .460 Rowland. Both of these are loaded in cases intended for automatics so neither has the protruding case rim problem.

    Tack
     
  8. Secondhand_Hero

    Secondhand_Hero New Member

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    Well Walt i'm not big into firing much of anything ahort of .357 mag but i could look into your idea as well! And Tack, i've never fired .460 and .50 is a bit too much for what i'm wanting this particular arm to be. i'm looking for a reliable sidearm that can punch through quite a bit while still being able to be held nearly straight-armed and fired consecutively. Are the .460s relatively low recoil through aidearms? i know the .44 jarred me a little and though it wasn't too much to handle it was still too much for me to be able to cycle through multiple shots quickly and accurately
     
  9. Tackleberry1

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    You should google up some video on the .460 Rowland. It's penetration is far better than .45 ACP, "could be on par or exceed .357 Mag", I'm not sure?

    The point I'm trying to stress here is that IF this pistol is intended for defensive use and you "simply must have .357 Mag". Buy a REVOLVER. Rimmed Magnum casings simply DO NOT function reliably in auto pistols.

    I highly doubt that the .460 would give any more recoil or muzzle flip than a .357 Mag in the same platform and I believe you can mail order .460 Rowland upper conversions for any full size 1911 frame so if you've already got a 1911, your halfway there.

    The only dowside I see would be ammo availability with the .460 just begining to catch on, ammo may be hard to find and may make .357 MAG seem cheap to shoot.

    You could also search this forum for .460 Rowland posts. There is some good info here.

    Good Luck

    TACK
     
  10. trip286

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    I've looked at the .460 myself, read many reviews on it. The goal was supposedly the same as the 357 sig, to build an auto cartridge comparable to magnums of the same size, in this case, the .44 mag.

    The reviews I've read claim that this round meets or exceeds the .44 mag in all areas ballistically (a claim I haven't verified and don't know how true it is) and claim that the recoil is actually softer than .45 acp, and more accurate. The kit from cylinder and slide (I think c&c anyway) comes with something like a 24 pound recoil spring.
     
  11. danf_fl

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    Go for the .460 Rowland or the 10mm.

    Nothing against the .357, but IMO, ammo should be kept with the platform it was developed for.

    The Coonan is fun to shoot, durable, and a monster to carry.
     
  12. Hookeye

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    Odd, I've shot 3 different DE's, two .44's and one .357 and they ran flawlessly, even with 180 and 200 gr handloads (hotter than heck) in .44.
    My buddy ran his reloads through his .357 and it was like a sewing machine.
     
  13. Hookeye

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    .357 Mag is legal fior deer in some states, possibly a reason to go with the longer round (compared to others mentioned).
     
  14. Secondhand_Hero

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    The 10mm pistol was actually the thing that got me really into handguns. They are superior to .45 ACP's in velocity, distance, accuracy, and penetration but the destructive power is fairly lacking for such an expensive round. This is why i like the .357 mags, i want something accurate and destructive that doesn't kick. But i will definately check out the .460's now!
     
  15. Tackleberry1

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    Yea, and I was once forced to drive a Le Car around town for a week. It got through my travels without breaking down but that does not mean I'd trust it to carry me across death valley in August.

    Three things you should never bet your life on:

    French Cars
    Helicopters
    Auto Pistol chambered for revolver cartridges

    All three can and do work reliably for periods of time despite have absolutely no engineering reason to do so. The problem is that Murphy's law will always apply.

    If you're too young to rember the Le Car, just take my word for it.

    TACK

    A wise man once said that God gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason. Listen twice as often as you speak and your bound to learn something.
     
  16. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    yeah i remember the LeCar! and the Yugo! semi auto pistols chambered and firing revolver rounds IMO are range and target guns. they are fun to shoot and if they have a problem on the range, no harm, no foul. but for a SD/HD handgun, i want it to function with no problems everytime. IMO, for these types of handguns, stay with what is proven.
     
  17. trip286

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    They made a bigger version of the yugo at one point.

    They called it the wego.

    Too bad they all turned out to be nogos.
     
  18. Secondhand_Hero

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    See though Tack, i've heard the Desert Eagle MK 1's chambered for .357 mags worked like an absolute dream! That's why i had mentioned it, because i wasn't sure about these Coonans but i've heard vouges for the DE MK1's
     
  19. canebrake

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